Subj : Market Action To : PAUL ROGERS From : MARTIN ATKINS Date : Sat May 14 2005 02:24 am -=> PAUL ROGERS wrote to ALL <=- PR> Content-type: text/plain PR> In an effort to assuage the oil-pit's free-running angst more typical PR> of talk-radio, the Int'l Energy Agency released a statement that not PR> only were supplies now sufficient, but best projections for the coming PR> winter showed supplies would also be sufficient albeit with little to PR> spare. It is no good being parochial. The domestic supply refined petroleum to the USA market is a local problem and does not reflect global commodity prices. It is the global crude output that dictates the price of oil products. PR> The Street wasn't buying it. Market prices were down until after the PR> 2PM close of oil trading, down over a buck, after which they recovered PR> some. That was enough for my formula to reverse itself and pop a Buy PR> signal. I'm a fan of charting but fundamentals eventually override sentiment. PR>I'm not buying that! My simple formula is only based on price PR> action, and is an exercise to show that these sorts of signals are PR> sometimes modestly useful, but ultimately can't do what we want them PR> to--predict the future direction of the market. Volume sank, to close PR> -11% below average. So there was little enthusiasm in the market. The PR> chart shows "top below tops" (1225, 1191, 1179) and "bottoms below PR> bottoms" (1165, 1138), which is Bearish. The USA is losing ground to China but how long will that last? Many Asian countries have done the same in the past only to collapse due to internal weakness in the financial system. Far from worrying about the upward valuation of the Yuan(?) what would be the result devaluation? PR> I went to the market today and bought some frozen peas and some wine. PR> But I wasn't speculating on the future price of the commodities, I PR> brought them home with me. Maybe we should change futures contracts so PR> they're only sold once--the buyer is forced to take delivery. That PR> might run these speculators out of that market and leave it to the PR> businesses who are legitimate suppliers and users of the commodities. Precisely. :) Commodities are sold on forward contracts. Revaluing the Yuan will only put of for a short time the inevitable collapse of the Chines financial system. PR> Spare me the talk-radio dogma about free markets. I don't believe it is dogma. The free market can only function if it is fully informed. Do you have the figures on monetary growth in China? I don't. If the figures came out via the present Chines government would you trust them? PR> The theory is that PR> when prices get irrational others will have incentive to enter the PR> market and rationalize things. That simplistic theory only works when PR> the real commodity is widely available to many traders. Oil isn't. Yes it is. Crude oil is traded globally and supply may only be controlled short term (OPEC). OPEC shot it self in the foot in the 1970s? The high prices during those times set off a massive investment in exploration. The result was oil prices of USA$14 a barrel which stubbornly stayed until recent times. PR> No, I don't want to hear the talk-radio excuses why those crazy PR> Californian NIMBY's and the government are impeding the working of a PR> real free market. Nobody gives a stuff about Californians accept Californians. PR> Why are there no refineries at all in Oregon? Who cares. ;) PR>The good citizens of Hermiston are equally concerned what goes on in their PR> back yard. When talk-radio gets outrageous it gets better ratings, PR> meaning more profits for the half-dozen mega-companies that control PR> broadcasting. What has this got to do with the global economy? :-} PR> Not only is exploration hugely expensive, hugely time-consuming, and PR> hugely risky, refineries are "one off", designed and built in place, PR> hugely expensive, hugely time-consuming, and not without their own PR> risks. Oil is not a free market, never has been, and can't be. Oil PR> sources are limited, consumption is "inelastic". Yes and no. Refined product is only one aspect of the energy market. Gas and other forms are available including nuclear PR> Where is the incentive for the integrated oil companies to increase PR> production when they have a product that the consumer MUST buy, no PR> matter what they charge? Must buy? Why not open up the US market to foreign companies and let them compete with your local market. The golden rule of free markets is unfettered competition. It only works if government interference is kept to the absolute minimum. PR> It's prime for market abuse. I'm thinking of PR> adding an energy fund to my retirement choices to get on the right side PR> of the trend. I would consider your move to be somewhat belated. It is possible we may be seeing the toping of the commodity market. Perhaps as a responsible investor you may look at local infrastructure. L8r. :) --- MultiMail/Linux v0.46 * Origin: Try Our Web Based QWK: DOCSPLACE.ORG (1:123/140) .