Subj : Re: Solar Realms Elite To : Dave Toy From : Scott Adams Date : Fri Jul 11 2003 01:19 am -=> Quoting Dave Toy to Dennis Haddox <=- DT> @MSGID: 1:229/644 0370d5bf 199.srgames 0370D5BF DT> Re: Re: Solar Realms Elite DT> By: Dennis Haddox to Herman on Tue Jul 08 2003 09:59 am > H> Yeah, of course, if you attack a BBS, they're going to have their all > H> up on you. That isn't an indication of duping or cheating. That is > > Did I ever say that was a problem? NO, I didn't. Of course ally > support will come into play, that is a no brainer. There has never > been any complaint about that. The only complaint is that this league > is chock full of cheaters, especially dupe account players. This > league was the worst I have ever seen using this type of cheat. > The LC of league 777 ranks right up there with the worst I have > seen also. DT> Dude... I don't know who you are, nor have I ever heard of DT> your Bbs... you're not in my league (610, and maybe I'll regret saying DT> this but, feel free to join), and I have no idea how many of the 14 DT> leagues I carry that you do participate in... BUT, I've been in 777 DT> since Day-1, (and 444 for several years) and I have never gotten a DT> single complaint from any of my players regarding eithrt... other than DT> the most common complaint of "My attacks are all MIT.. bitch bitch DT> bitch". DT> Now, I've played BRE for eons, and up until I started 610 in DT> 1999, I too had lots of "questions" about league play.... ie: DT> cheating... well let me tell you something, in all seriousness... start DT> your own league. THEN you'll see just how f***ed up and outdated the DT> game really is. The game is STILL designed for the 'days of old', ie: DT> dialup bbs's and Fidonet (ancient) technology. It simply cannot handle DT> the speed of Internet packet transfers. Not sure if you saw my big post to him. But it was like 900 lines or so. In that I brought this up to him about running his own league as a challenge to see if he has the spine to do it. He said no. So that's enough perspective for him i guess just one side. DT> Dupe players?? Well DUH!!! Just how the hell would you propose DT> eliminating that possibility? Back in the day, it wasn't an issue. Who DT> in their right mind would make long distance dialup calls just for the DT> sake of playing on multiple boards? These days with telnet, you could DT> theoretically play from every single board in every single league... DT> even multiple realms from a single board! As an LC, just how the hell DT> do you suggest we prevent the possibility? Validation? By what means? DT> Email?... we both know how easy it is to have multiple email address's. DT> By Phone? Yeah right. Like I'm going to call friggen Australia just to DT> make sure the guy is who he says he is. By setting BRE to use 'real DT> names' only? It's awfully easy to use fake 'real names'. The best DT> weapon Rob and I have (maybe others) is that our bbs software will DT> report to us when users are calling from the same IP address... is that DT> ROCK SOLID proof that it's a dupe user? NO F-ING WAY! I have several DT> husband and wives on my board.. I have several father and sons on my DT> board... see my point? There is absolutely NO FRIGGEN WAY dupes can be DT> proved beyond a shadow of a doubt... To quote Johhny Cochoran, "If it DT> does not fit, you must aquit." DT> In the 4 years my league has been around, I can count on one DT> hand the number of times I've seen suspicious activity. And almost all DT> of those have been instances of someone playing from my Bbs, and they DT> make it obvious that they also play from another board, and they come DT> here to spy. My outlook? In a real war, that's called espionage. I've DT> found it keeps my "real" players on their toes. DT> I could go on for a lot longer, but I have to get up for work DT> in 4 hours... my bottomline is this.. if you want to *really* see DT> what's involved with a BRE league, start one yourself, and I'll join DT> it. You've already made a response that you "don't have the time", and DT> that, in itself, is at least part of the answer to your accusations. DT> You assume those of us that DO run leagues have 24 hours a day to play DT> watchdog over them... DT> No flaming was intended here.. I simply wanted to give you the DT> view from a neutral party and I hope your response will be likewise. Don't worry my big post was longer and I covered the above and much much more. :) .... "You stay out of trouble, okay?" - Garibaldi --- Fringe BBS * Origin: EWOG II - The Fringe - 904-733-1721 (1:112/91) .