Subj : Re: Solar Realms Elite To : Dave Toy From : Dennis Haddox Date : Thu Jul 10 2003 01:17 pm -=> Dave Toy wrote to Dennis Haddox <=- DT> Admit they are cheating in what way? By playing on more DT> than one board? Yes. DT> Were these problems all related to accusations of DT> cheating, and if so, in what way? Again, as far as people DT> playing on more than one board, I've only had one instance of DT> it, and the *only* reason I caught it was because the person Then you are either very lucky or very ignorant. DT> was really stupid in choice of 'real names' on the two boards. DT> Without going into detail, they used the same last name on both DT> boards and the first name was altered by a single letter. :) DT> Dupe players is tough to prove beyond a shadow of a doubt, even DT> if someone admits to it. Hell, they could be admitting to it DT> JUST to raise a ruckus in the league. I might be way too You are grasping for straws now. This logic does not hold water. They do it because they know that they can get away with it. They see that if anything is said that they will be protected because the LC wants everything quiet and to appear to be running smoothly no matter what is going on. DT> trusting, but I'm convinced 99.999999999% of all BRE players DT> and/or sysops are honest people. You aren't serious are you? Seeing how Hard Drive Cafe has been around for about as long as Hall of Fame, I can not fathom how you can make that statement in all honesty. It has been my observation throughout the years that people will always try to find an edge to win and the edge most of the time involves cheating to some degree. I have witnessed ways to cheat in some games by players that were truly ingenious. As for sysops, yeah most are honest and most have so much to do keeping their boards updated and running smoothly that they do not have the time to bother with cheating. I have only known of a couple sysops that would actively and diligently cheat to keep their boards on top. That is not the issue here though. The issue here is when cheaters or ways that are being used to cheat are pointed out, the LC begins a stream of lies such as you are the one cheating or you were booted out of a league for cheating. They find that an easier route than taking the time or using the energy to investigate. I asked Rob weeks ago when he said we were booted out for cheating, what we did that was considered cheating. He never answered. He never answered because we never did any cheating and we weren't booted out, we left. Exposing cheaters and cheating methods are not wanted in corrupt leagues such as 33 and 777 and the way they handle it is lying. http://www.hofbbs.net * telnet://fame.darktech.org 2 dial-in lines 330.456.0483 and 330.456.0484 .... One lie always leads to another. *** MultiMail/Win32 v0.43 --- TriToss (tm) Professional 11.0 - #108 * Origin: The Hall of Fame * Canton, Ohio * 330.456.0483 (1:2215/300.0) .