Subj : Re: Facts or Fiction To : Scott Adams From : Dennis Haddox Date : Wed Jun 25 2003 12:12 am -=> Scott Adams wrote to Dennis Haddox <=- Part III SA> Please show us here so the evidence can be broken down. SA> Not just words please. Please post logs, statements by SA> users/players, screen captures and such. I hope you SA> did SA> do your homework. But being so long i'm sure that SA> stuff is thrown out by now. Oh well. Yes, but you didn't believe it then so it wouldn't make much difference now would it? SA> in your league. Also stupidity by them admiting to SA> them SA> cheating. That has occured. In the 777 game, after I was onto them and deleted their accounts here on my board. They went to other boards, mainly xbit and one of them started running his mouth, probably because they got kicked off here and was mad they couldn't cheat here. He admitted outright to having multiple accounts. He was also one of those that gave us info on others. He said "What is wrong with having dupe accounts, I know people that have as many as 6 dupe accounts all over this league. When a couple of my players and I started to look and see where these accounts were with a little investigative work and some deductive reasoning, that is when we started to point them out. SA> Now with these ideas in the open lets get back to SA> cheating SA> in our league. In my experience we have had cheaters SA> we have caught and dealt with. No board besides yours SA> has SA> ever been thrown out (though I did not per se do it SA> mark SA> did). In my league 033 and now the merged 933 league SA> we have mainly found the stupid multiple accounts. Scott, I can't believe you are trying to piss in my face and tell me it's raining. I have always thought you as on of the more honest ones. Let me refresh your memory a bit here. Ok we were in the dispute on how to handle these boards that were going up and down when they lost their edge, as I have already discussed. I refused to let this issue drop. You said that since Hoover ran the league, it was out of your hands and it was his call. Then out of the fucking blue, Hoover sends me a message saying I have a dupe player from my board playing on another board. This is what really pissed me off. First of all, do you see how the same thing has happened in all 3 of these leagues? Try to get something done about the blatant cheating and the LC turns around and accused YOU of cheating. Anyway, I knew for a FACT that all the players that were playing here were NOT playing anywhere else. All the players that were playing here were local. They were people I knew. Just to make sure though, I either called them up or drove over to their house and asked each one of them. They all said no, we aren't playing anywhere else. If they were lying, I would have known. They were not lying. I then decided that I have had enough of this shit, I was pulling out of this league and ridding myself of that moron Hoover. I emailed or netmailed you and told you I was pulling out, to take me out of this network asap. You had replied asking if I wished to remain in the message bases, which I also declined. I told you straight out, no, that I have had enough of Hoover, I want totally out of the network. You said ok, and that was that. Then a couple days later, I hear Hoover is ranting that he kicked us out of the league. He didn't do shit. He is just a lying moron. I had already disconnected everything and removed all reference to this network from my mailer's configuration days before when I had messaged you. SA> But the point is persepctive is the key to everything. SA> As a sysop in a league you don't see every detail. Yes...I do. SA> Every problem. Every fact. You only see your side SA> and your board losing battle after battle in a SA> desperate SA> fight for survival. You example what info you do have SA> like scores and think "they must be cheating". That's SA> not the case that's just your human mind trying to SA> resolve SA> a situation it can't deal with. No, that isn't the case at all. We don't mind getting our asses kicked. But when we do, we analyze what happened. Did we not get enough participation from every player? When did the packets process inbound and when were the outbound sent? What relation to packet processing did we play? How many times and how often did each player log on and play a few turns? Did we miscalculate the size difference or did we just get too emotionally involved and knew we would get beat but wanted to cause as much pain as we could on our way down? Was somebody out of town that day and miss playing altogether, or even 2 or 3 days? Was our intelligence data incorrect? Who were the opponents allies? What were the opponents growth rate during the battle? Growth rate of allies during the battle? We look at everything. When you analyze like that, you notice easily when something is not right, so you keep an eye on that. SA> But as the saying goes. Those who protest or deny too SA> much SA> tend to have something to hide (metaphorically or for SA> real). Something to hide? I have nothing to hide. All I have is this rage because these cheaters get away with it even when they are caught and then the LC accuses you of cheating when you have never cheated in a league in your life. SA> Now you may call me names if you want I won't. I only SA> am trying to reason with you and hope you think about I won't call you any names even though you did lie once in this post, but I will give you the benefit of the doubt this time and just chalk it up as you not remembering the facts clearly. SA> Good day and good reading. I hope you consider the SA> above in friendship (what little you may think we SA> have left) and not a attack. You started the attacks SA> I'm replying to them. I don't feel I am attacking. It is more of a vent to release the rage because people spreading lies about me and false accusations about us cheating. I want to make sure that anybody that reads these messages will know what kind of slimy LC's run them that will even band together to try and make their lies believable. I have nothing to hide so I have nothing to lose when I uncover what kind of cheating goes on in some of these leagues and how the LC responds when you start pointing it out. http://www.hofbbs.net * telnet://fame.darktech.org 2 dial-in lines 330.456.0483 and 330.456.0484 .... Too many pages make a tome. *** MultiMail/Win32 v0.43 --- TriToss (tm) Professional 11.0 - #108 * Origin: The Hall of Fame * Canton, Ohio * 330.456.0483 (1:2215/300.0) .