Subj : Re: Facts or Fiction To : Scott Adams From : Dennis Haddox Date : Tue Jun 24 2003 11:28 pm -=> Scott Adams wrote to Dennis Haddox <=- Part II SA> So to the question of proving cheating.... SA> Tell me how does one prove cheating? To our eyes you SA> only SA> acuse as so many others have tried in leagues world SA> wide. SA> But wheres the proof. A LC can only do so much to SA> investigate SA> and so much to prove this or that. Its YOUR burden of SA> proof SA> to prove the cheating. Did you? Not to our eyes SA> frankly. We never did understand that. That board would go down for a week or two at a time, anytime it lost the edge in a war down it would go. The attacking boards would in the meantime have all their military out and then they would conveniently go back up, send multiple gooies, and their growth rate had continually grown while they were "down". This proved that they were playing the game while they were "down". We showed you what their net value was before they went "down" and how it had risen substantially while they were "down". You or Mark said it was inconclusive, that was a crock of crap. They knew what they were doing, we knew what they were doing and I am sure YOU knew what they were doing also. All this about settings I clipped because it is irrelevant. If I had the time or inclination or desire to be a cheater, all these settings could be conformed to and still be cheating my ass off. You or anybody else would not know any different. What I find a bit amusing is that these guys that think they are so clever think they can get away with this stuff and nobody knows how they do it. Wrong! SA> * Boards going up and down: SA> I saw you complain to Mark about boards that went up SA> and down. Guess what that happens ALL the time. You SA> can't tell me whereever you get fido or other Yes that was one of the main complaints. Sure boards might have a problem occassionally for a day or maybe even a few days, so what? What we were pointing out is EVERY time, I can only remember there was one board that was a main abuser, they would lose the edge in a battle they would go down time and time and time again. When they went back "up", their networth had grown substantially which is a major indicator that they weren't down at all. They may have manipulated it so that they didn't have any packets to send so as to support they were down but they were still playing the game. SA> Should you unfairly kick a board out for valid SA> problems? SA> No. I definitely disagree with your belief there. You never understood then. I never said to unfairly kick a board out because they had a problem. I suggested that if a board goes up and down and up and down or just down for a set amount of days throughout the game period that they be reset and not allowed to play the remainder of THAT game. This would eliminate in it's entirety the problem being encountered. SA> I can see your point that a board may 'fake' down SA> time. SA> I've seen that once or twice over the years. But SA> bring SA> me the proof. How? Show me the board is indeed up SA> and SA> players are in bre and can login but can't say send SA> mail. Then we'll deal with that board as a possible SA> cheater. Till then hard to prove. That is NOT hard at all to do. That is exactly what we did and you and/or Hoover ignored it. You did not have the balls to enforce a rule that would eliminate that form of cheating. SA> * Packiet Holding: Probaly the top #1 problems of so SA> been in. Those are somewhat easy to track due to Very lame and yes, VERY easy to detect. SA> and events itself. But did you get online and show SA> any SA> captures of such discrepacies? No. unfournately not SA> to my knowledge. Yes, I did per your request. Apparently it was a waste of my time. SA> the case. Lost attacks have been shown for years to SA> be SA> hit and miss. During the early days of this very Yes that does happen. It does not happen very frequently but yes I have seen that happen. It is so infrequent though unless there is a major malfunction with the board's mailer that it usually does not cause much of a difference. http://www.hofbbs.net * telnet://fame.darktech.org 2 dial-in lines 330.456.0483 and 330.456.0484 .... Where are those flashbacks they promised me? *** MultiMail/Win32 v0.43 --- TriToss (tm) Professional 11.0 - #108 * Origin: The Hall of Fame * Canton, Ohio * 330.456.0483 (1:2215/300.0) .