Subj : Blood and Honor To : YL112@CORNELL.EDU From : HAROLD GROOT Date : Sun Jul 09 2000 02:48 pm I don't want Andrew to think I'm picking on him, so I'll mention another of the "red flag" items I've seen over the years. You mentioned that an adventure you ran was based on an idea from the book BLOOD AND HONOR. That by itself is perfectly OK - we all try to take ideas we have seen and see how characters react to them. But there is a huge trap waiting - those who try to run the entire movie/book to its ending. This can do a HUGE disservice to the players, trying to force a preconceived ending. Let me take an example from the published modules. When the shift was made from 1st edition to 2nd edition AD&D, a novel was written about how it happened. The novel was then turned into a trilogy of modules (Shadowdale, Tantras and Waterdeep). All through out the modules there was a certain timeline that had to be kept to keep the players on par with the novel. There were repeated instructions to the DM along the lines of: If the players are falling behind, give them help. If the players are getting ahead, slow them down. No matter what they try, the players cannot be allowed to do . These statements translate (roughly) as: Reward Bad Play. Penalize Good Play. Don't Let The Characters Do Anything To Change Anything. The ending of the modules was pre-determined. It =had= to end that way to coincide with the changes they were making to go from 1st edition to 2nd edition. But it made one of the most frustrating dungeons I've EVER been through. The DM was required to pull miracles out of his hat in several places to save Cyric - because some of us determined very early that Cyric Must Die and we planned intelligently to make it happen. The module, however, absolutely REQUIRES that Cyric survive so he can become a god in 2nd edition. So intelligent play was severely penalized when there were several Deus Ex Machina rescues of Cyric. So - if there is an intriguing idea, plot twist, gadget or whatever in a book, great. Put it into a campaign and have fun with it. But DON'T ever try to run a book through to a set-in-stone ending. --- Platinum Xpress/Win/WINServer v3.0pr5 # Origin: Solar Quest Online (1:285/85) * Origin: ConchGate (1:106/357.0) .