Subj : Re: New Game...?
To   : All
From : Andrew_S._Toth@wlm.toronto.on.ca
Date : Sat Jul 08 2000 05:58 pm

From: Andrew_S._Toth@wlm.toronto.on.ca (Andrew S. Toth)
Subject: Re: New Game...?
Organization: W. L. Mackenzie C. I.



Yoon Ha Lee writes:

>> Once again, I state that I respect your opinions. However, while you may=


>> feel that your statements are designed to make me think and revamp my >>=
 quest because of past experiences which you have had, and thus to=20

>> hopefully yield a better quest, I view them a little differently. I don'=
t=20

>> look at them maliciously, but I do find a small problem. They reduce=20

>> that element of trust.


> Just a thought, Andrew--I think perhaps you should trust your players > t=
o look at your record and their own feelings on the matter, and come to=20

> their own conclusions.  Harold feels this way; I somewhat agree with=20

> him (but probably don't have the time--when classes start up--to play > a=
nyway,  so it doesn't matter for me); and other people will reach their > o=
wn conclusions.  :-)


Of course they will, but nevertheless, as with any real-life situation, I c=
an't be expected to sit by and watch as my idea for a campaign is systemati=
cally disected by a person, who seemingly doesn't own a desire to play in m=
y campaign anyway, who feels that just because something has been used many=
 times before makes it a bad idea.


I can't be expected to sit here at my computer, read over what he's writing=
, and then say =22Gee, I guess I'll let everyone come to their own conclusi=
ons with their new-found revelations provided Harold, and with no input wha=
tsoever from me in defense of my ideas.=22=20


For starters, it signifies a laziness or lack of caring on my part; if I'm =
not willing to stand up and defend my campaign, then what will it say about=
 my capabilities, habits, and ability to make sure that everyone, including=
 myself, gets their Moves in on time, or at least provides a good reason fo=
r not doing so.


Secondly, that laziness yields another view of my possible personality at a=
 DM. If I'm willing to let all of what Harold has said--and again, I do res=
pect his opinion--slide without a counter, then this also might indicate to=
 some that were a player to bring forth a rule regarding how something was =
conducted, I would immediately acquiesce and fix the mistake in question. O=
n the same line, if someone were to bring up a discrepancy of logic, or pas=
t experience, I would immediately acquiesce once again.


> Remember, you had a lot of players who enjoyed Sigils.  They know what=20

> you can do.  Heck, the =22players wake up with amnesia=22 (plus whatever =
20

> new fillips) gambit is pretty old, too.  But old ideas will always be new=
 > for new players, is the beauty of it--and I strongly suspect there *are*=
=20

> players who will see what this new campaign is about.


Maybe so, but well I have no objections to new players, I would honestly li=
ke a healthy mix of both new and experienced. I'm not about to change my ca=
mpaign idea just for the purpose of that.


Also, I would point out that I've always been rather fond of taking old (of=
ten overused) ideas and fiddling around with them. Kind of like taking apar=
t a computer just to see how it works.


>> You're cutting my player-pool to ribbons here, Harold. I realize that >>=
 your experience with such scenarios has either been sour,=20

>> over-played, or a little of both. Perhaps with others, too. But, at the =
20

>> same time, Sigils of Erasure is, I feel, a prime example of how things >=
> did not flow according to the norm. I write in my spare time, Harold. I >=
> know enough from what I write, and what I read, just how boringly=20

>> repetitive some situations can be if those responsible for the creation =
>> of those situations don't add a number of interesting twists.


> Actually, I'd wait until you've applied to run the campaign *and* have=20

> started receiving player applications (or not) before coming to that=20

> conclusion.


Right, and I could easily say to Harold =22wait until the game has started =
before you make those statements.=22 But I didn't, did I?


Andrew





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