Subj : Back again To : RICHARD M. MEIC From : Frank Masingill Date : Fri Jul 13 2001 01:10 pm > Need I go on? There is no arrogance involved here. It is a simple fact > that we humans today understand more about reality than the humans a > century or more ago. Read "Debate of a Man Contemplating Suicide with his Soul" of circa 2,000-2,500 BCE and seriously tell me if our understanding of "Reality" exceeds his. Not about our automobiles and bathtubs and his inferior technology but about the "It" reality in which both he and we participates and in which the tension in consciousness look quite similar. True, the mystery of the ultimate reality surounding him and that same mystery surrounding us was mediated in society in different modes and the "cosmos" was experienced as full of gods and we dwell in a "dedininized" universe where horizons have receded a bit further but would our automobiles, airplanes and the nuclear bomb have supplied him with the solution to the mystery that would have permitted his Soul to win the existential argument so that he would have felt no longer the desire to die and thus help the gods to bring better order into the world so that "it would no longer stench like "bird droppings?" We are not very far, you know, from men standing naked in front of ditches while producers of the "Brave New World" shot their naked bodies into mass graves. Not far, indeed!! In fact, if your blood does not run cold when you read some of the thought on these very Fidonet echoes then it may be that you could be overlooking something in that era of modernity that might make one hesitant to declare that we have captured "Reality." I tend to agree with John that it is not emotion and passion we need to get rid of. They just need to be turned in the direction of the Heraclitian Common and the rationality of the humanity that philosophy and the spiritual eruptions that have occurred throughout the world along the lines incorporated in Plato's "Big Lie" as the greatest truth of all - that "all men or brothers." (Voegelin) Such myths through the refinement of philosophy certainly have not harmed men, whereas the rigidity of doctrine and ideology in the pursuit of perfection on earth turn men into devils. This has been the observation of my short lifetime as I yearrned and prayed for the "open soul in an open society" (Bergson, William James and Whitehead). Frank --- * Origin: Frank's House (1:396/45.12) .