Subj : World of Pogo
To   : LEE LOFASO
From : RICHARD M. MEIC
Date : Mon Jul 16 2001 04:43 pm

-> Absolutely sure.  The exchange was between Porkypine and Pogo,
-> taking place in the middle of Ofekenofee Swamp, trash being
-> everywhere:

Okay.

-> RMM>the author used environmentalism to sell the Pogo strip.
-> 
-> Nah.  In an introduction to 'Pogo Papers', published by Simon &
-> Schuster in 1952-53, Kelly wrote:
-> 
-> "...There is no need to sally forth, for it remains true that those
-> things which make us human are, curiously enough, always close at hand.
-> Resolve, then, that on this very ground, with small flags waving and
-> tiny blasts of tiny trumpets, we shall meet the enemy, and not only may
-> he be ours, he may be us."
-> 
-> Naturally, Kelly's Pogo strip reflected this viewpoint.

Understood.

-> >LL>INDIVIDUAL: "We have met the enemy and he is us."
-> 
-> RMM>"I have met the enemy and he is me."
-> 
-> Incorrect.  We and us are plural, being that the comment was between
-> two individuals (Porkypine and Pogo).  Besides, no man is an island unto
-> himself, even if only a possum.

Not incorrect from my point of view.  Many other points of view are 
involved other than that intended by the author of the strip or the author 
of your message.  When one spreads his creativity to the rest of humanity 
other ideas other than the author's should be expected, tolerated and 
understood.  The "enemy is me" idea is indeed individual, but not what you 
expected.

-> >LL>COLLECTIVE: Recognition that the enemy is indeed us, whom we have
-> >  >met so many times in so very many places.
-> 
-> RMM>"We have met the enemy and he is us."
-> 
-> Collective refers to a group as a whole, not individuals within a group.
-> Simply restating the individual does not make it collective.

I don't understand your objection.
 
-> >LL>DISCIPLINE: Recognition of the enemy as ourselves as the conceptual
-> >  >foundation for balanced and adequate progress towards creating a
-> >  >free, just and peaceful world.
-> 
-> RMM>"We have met the enemy and he is under control."
-> 
-> Not by a longshot.  Just because we have met the enemy and recognized
-> the enemy does not mean that we have the enemy under control.  It takes
-> more than mere recognition of a problem in order to implement solutions
-> for that problem.

I know that... I'm not stating it as truth, only as an idea.
 
-> >LL>ROLE: Recognition of the enemy as ourselves being the psychological
-> >  >foundation for balanced and adequate progress towards creating a
-> >  >free, peaceful and fulfilling personal life.
-> 
-> RMM>"We are the enemy."
-> 
-> And who is that enemy?  

Before I go any further I need to be sure that you want to hear my opinion?
Please understand that I have no interest in sharing if the target party 
does not want to hear it.  I just went through that with John and Frank.

-> Two people in a world of six billion?  Or the
-> total population as a whole?  What is the psychological foundation?
-> Is it only a handful of people, or many?
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