Subj : The universe            4
To   : TODD HENSON
From : DAVE OLDRIDGE
Date : Fri Jan 19 2001 08:49 am

TH> > TH> > TH> > But the concept of cause has no meaning unless it occurs in 
the
TH> > TH> > TH> > world of appearance, i.e.  in the universe.  Therefore no
TH> > TH> > TH> > empirical meaning can be attached to the question "What 
caused
TH> the
TH> > TH> > TH> > universe to exist?" There is no logically possible way to 
answer
TH> > TH> > TH> > such a question.
TH> > TH> >
TH> > TH> >
TH> > TH> > TH> Yes, it IS logical, because if the universe was created, then
TH> > something
TH> > TH> had
TH> > TH> > TH> to create it.
TH> > TH> >
TH> > TH> > You miss the point.  If the universe IS created, then something
TH> > TH> > (someone?) IS creating it.
TH> >
TH> >
TH> > TH> From whose perspective? Ours, or God's?
TH> >
TH> > That's a theological question.  And presumes that they are necessarily
TH> > different in this respect.


TH> If God is not bound by time and we are, then it seems there would certainly
TH> be some difference
TH> in perspective. However, if God can at least comprehend the idea of beings
TH> in a linear time
TH> mode, then it makes the idea of a "before" time somewhat more relevant in a
TH> larger,
TH> philosophical sense.

Only if you place God in a different timelike dimension with its own 
analogue of entropy.  That's not necessarily correct.

[snip]


TH> At some point, science, philosophy, and theology tend to move closer than
TH> they normally do.
TH> When we try to pierce the veil of the Big Bang, that's one of those points.

True.

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