Subj : The universe            4
To   : DAVE OLDRIDGE
From : TODD HENSON
Date : Tue Jan 09 2001 06:56 pm

> TH> > But the concept of cause has no meaning unless it occurs in the
> TH> > world of appearance, i.e.  in the universe.  Therefore no
> TH> > empirical meaning can be attached to the question "What caused the
> TH> > universe to exist?" There is no logically possible way to answer
> TH> > such a question.
> 
> 
> TH> Yes, it IS logical, because if the universe was created, then something 
had
> TH> to create it.
> 
> You miss the point.  If the universe IS created, then something 
> (someone?) IS creating it.


From whose perspective? Ours, or God's?


> TH> > Therefore, the universe did not have a cause.  It had a beginning
> TH> > which occurred some 15-20 billion years ago; and that beginning
> TH> > was the Big Bang.
> 
> 
> TH> And what caused the Big Bang?
> 
> 
> TH> > But it had no cause.  It began, simpliciter.
> 
> TH> Nonsense.
> 
> Not nonsense, just difficult for your mind to grasp because the very
> thought processes you are trying to wrap around it are enmeshed in the
> entropy that is characteristic of time.  People characteristically have 
> the same problems with most non-Euclidean geometries.


No, your simply not seeing the context that I am using my words in. I don't
necessarily disagree 
with what you're saying. :-)
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