Subj : The universe            4
To   : BOB EYER
From : TODD HENSON
Date : Wed Jan 03 2001 07:08 pm

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> Todd Henson to Dave Oldridge, 12-19-00:
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> -that there is a time (t=0) before which there are no other times.
> -This is difficult for the human mind which never really has any
> -experience of timelessness because once IN time all things are
> -subject to the entropy increase by which we measure time.
> 
> >Yes, I understand that.  But the fact remains that if the universe
> >did not always exist, if it came into being by something else,
> >then it is perfectly valid to speak of that which came before it.
> 
> Coming into being of the universe by something else is merely
> circumlocution for saying that something caused the universe to
> exist.
> 
> But the concept of cause has no meaning unless it occurs in the
> world of appearance, i.e.  in the universe.  Therefore no
> empirical meaning can be attached to the question "What caused the
> universe to exist?" There is no logically possible way to answer
> such a question.


Yes, it IS logical, because if the universe was created, then something had
to create it.


> Therefore, the universe did not have a cause.  It had a beginning
> which occurred some 15-20 billion years ago; and that beginning
> was the Big Bang.


And what caused the Big Bang?


> But it had no cause.  It began, simpliciter.


Nonsense.
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