Subj : The universe 4 To : Bob Eyer From : Frank Masingill Date : Tue Jan 02 2001 07:38 am BE> But the concept of cause has no meaning unless it occurs in BE> the world of appearance, i.e. in the universe. Therefore no BE> empirical meaning can be attached to the question "What caused BE> the universe to exist?" There is no logically possible way to BE> answer such a question. BE> Therefore, the universe did not have a cause. It had a BE> beginning which occurred some 15-20 billion years ago; and BE> that beginning was the Big Bang. BE> But it had no cause. It began, simpliciter. Everybody knows, Bob, that it really began with a mysterious monolith which continues to appear at various stages in the life of the creature it influenced to use tools. Genesis is better, I think, but the guidance of aliens from "outer space" is bound to sound more "scientific." That "Big Bang" surely "caused" the logic. I think that man is never more cute than when she/he explains the "beginning" of everything. Frank --- PPoint 2.07 * Origin: Maybe in 5000 years (1:396/45.12) .