Subj : Re: Bible To : Todd Henson From : John Wilson Date : Fri Dec 01 2000 04:52 am -=> TODD HENSON wrote to KEITH KNAPP <=- > > Curtis, stop intellectualizing about something that is beyond the > intellect. Spirituality is not something you think about; it's > something you do. Find a modern source to cause the Awakening the TH> How can you do something unless you think? Getting your mind to stop thinking is an early practice in meditation. > ...None of it makes any sense until you have actually > lost bodily consciousness... TH> If one is unconscious, then they won't be experiencing bliss, or TH> much else. Losing body consciousness is not `becoming unconscious'... > > Ordinary people are taught to be nice and not kill others. This is > good. But initiates are radiated into an awareness of the level where > Self and God are literally the same thing... TH> I have serious concerns for someone who walks around thinking TH> that he's God. Perhaps I'm TH> missing something. Yes. You are. I'm not one whom you would care to have that `missing something' supplied. But keep your mind open... someone might. >...You are always already the thing you are seeking.... TH> What about the things you are NOT seeking? I suppose the victim TH> and the murderer are the TH> same being? Stop supposing. You have posited in the past that we have an `internal search' you could widen it, without losing your Christian perscpective... > not an intellectual process, but somthing that happens to your body in the > presence of an Initiate or a Realizer like Jesus. Find a Realizer. TH> To realize something takes thought, but you said spirituality TH> isn't something you think about. TH> Jesus certainly provoked much thought in those that heard him. Word play. This is a serious subject, presented in a serious way. > > Stop wasting your time. The practice is this: be radiant Love or not. > Or as Paul said: The Secret is this: Christ in you. The secret is > hidden in plain sight. TH> When did Paul say that? Can you give a quote, and be able to TH> explain it in it's proper Biblical TH> context? I can't give you a quote, although I have it underlined in one of my bibles (stored during renovation, or I'd look it up :-) `proper Biblical context'? Emmanuel. TH> What is Radiant Bliss? :-) uh, think of orgasism. Then think of having a room-full. :-) > But once the sexual jolt goes up your spine into your head, you will > lose track of Curtis Johnson. And once it goes above your head TH> Why? Why does sexual ecstasy make you lose track of who you are? Kundalini is not exactly sexual ecstasy :-) > into the blissful tornado above your head, you will know that TH> What tornado? Stop. *Listen* > Curtis Johnson is okay, but that you don't know who or what that is. > Once you have gotten beyond all danger, you will Know that Curtis > Johnson is just a construct. Suddenly, all of your bodily bullshit, > all of your history, will seem ephemeral. Given a choice, would you > rather have bodily success, or infinite mindless Radiant Love? TH> Tell me, when does a human live up to their purpose - when they TH> seek after meaning in truth anf TH> spirit, living by principles, philosophy, and wisdom... Few on this earth do that. Most people die without ever knowing who they are. , or when he TH> or when he allows himself to become lost in TH> sensual pleasures that take the place of the higher functions of TH> consciousness? I was afraid you would think like this. > That is the proper context for the debate about Gnostics v. Literalists. TH> Not quite. :-) > CJ> A good introduction to the Gnostics is Elaine Pagel's book, > CJ>which is relatively short. Highly recommended. (Which, I realize that comming from me, is not likely to be considered an important endorsment :-) I hope you've saved Knapps original. Future reading just may become *very* profitable. Best Wishes.... .... "Comedy is simply a funny way of being serious." -- Ustinov ___ MultiMail/MS-DOS v0.32 --- Maximus 3.01 * Origin: The BandMaster, Vancouver, B.C., Canada (1:153/7715) .