Subj : Re: The universe To : Dave Oldridge From : Joshua Lee Date : Fri Nov 17 2000 06:16 am -=> DAVE OLDRIDGE wrote to JOSHUA LEE <=- JL> DO> copious astronomical evidence in support of this. If this model JL> DO> is correct, then "before" the Big Bang is about as meaningless as JL> DO> "north of the North Pole." JL> Are you contradicting or agreeing with the classic understanding of JL> creatio ex nihlo? (Or, as we say in Jewish thought, yesh m'ayin.) DO> As long as it's understood that the creation of matter and space DO> coincides with the creation of time, I don't think I see a DO> problem. It's this notion that there is actually a "time" before DO> the beginning of time that I'm objecting to. Rebbe Nachman of Breslov was of the opinion that time was essentially a result of constricted conciousness. He uses the moshul of a dream, when we dream, we can imagine that hours or even entire lifetimes go by; but when we wake up, we realize that only minutes passed. So it is with time in general. JBL .... What is mind? No matter! What is matter? Never mind! - Homer S. ___ MultiMail/Win32 v0.37 --- Maximus/2 3.01 * Origin: Juxtaposition BBS, Telnet:juxtaposition.dynip.com (1:167/133) .