Subj : Rush to Judgement?
To   : Todd Henson
From : Joseph Voigt
Date : Thu Nov 09 2000 05:23 am

Wednesday November 08 2000 09:23, TODD HENSON wrote to CURTIS JOHNSON:

 >>  >  TH> In a blatantly obvious attempt to shift the focus on
 >>  >  TH> philosophy, what do you think Plato would have to say about
 >>  >  TH> the above behaviors?

 >>  >JV> LOL.  Are you going to rewrite history for us now, Todd?
 >>  >JV> Plato never married.  On the internal evidence of his writing,
 >>  >JV> his sexual feelings seem to have been directed solely to other
 >>  >JV> men.  That sounds homosexual to me. I have a pretty good idea
 >>  >JV> what he'd have to say about the above behaviors.

 >>  > Not overly familiar with ancient Greek society, are you, Todd?

 >>  TH> You assume far too much of my question. I didn't make any
 >>  TH> claims as to Plato's beliefs, but merely mentioned his name to
 >>  TH> shift the focus of the conversation. And it has. That's all.

 >> I think I know you well enough by now that you wouldn't have
 >> asked that question if you really knew what the answer was going to
 >> be, since the answer tends to undercut your position.
 >> It took me about an hour or more to look up and type up the
 >> quotations for you.  I note a distinct lack of thanks on your part,

 TH> Right, and I'm amused that I caused you to obsessively waste so much
 TH> time quoting information which you thought would debunk an assumption
 TH> that I didn't even make in the first place.

Are you about ready yet to address the question you asked way up there at the 
top of this message?  So far, three of us here have answered it pretty much the 
same way.  I'll have to accept that, since you haven't disputed anything we've 
said about it, you accept how Plato likely would feel about such behaviors re 
what we've said about it.  Am I correct?

As you brought up the question and so far have failed to dispute what we've 
said about, please either show where you have a dispute about it, or admit that 
you are in agreement with what we said.  Will you do that?

 >> and am left wondering if you even bothered to read through my
 >> message. BTW, you might wish to reflect on the facts that Plato
 >> portrayed Socrates as having constant tempatations to indulge in sex
 >> with boys,

 TH> I'm aware.

And?  Please thoughtfully elaborate on these temptations of Socrates, who was 
one of the greatest thinkers ever.  Please also honestly consider his wisdom as 
compared to your own once you've decided to make judgements about his 
temptations.

 >> and yet Justin Martyr specifically named Socrates as one of the very
 >> few pagans who would make it into Heaven.

Well?  You didn't comment on this.  Do you think Socrates is in heaven, what 
with those temptations about sex with boys and all?

.... Keep your faith.  Doubt is what gets you an education.
--- FastEcho 1.46 (reg)
 * Origin: The Danse - Where Norse Gods Ponder Their Navels (1:387/638)

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