Subj : The universe
To   : Todd Henson
From : Joseph Voigt
Date : Sat Nov 04 2000 08:47 am

Saturday November 04 2000 09:24, TODD HENSON wrote to JOHN WILSON:

 >> If the universe had a begining, that begining was the very start of
 >> that before which there was nothing.

 TH> If there was totally nothing before, then there would have been
 TH> nothing to either act or to be acted upon in which to give rise to
 TH> anything. Speaking in a more scientific sense, if there were
 TH> no quantum fluctuations, no forces, no reality itself, then it's not
 TH> rational to assume that the universe would exist.

And yet the universe DOES exist, Todd.  There was no -before- it, as spacetime 
is inherent to the universe.  A quantum fluctuation suffices as to its origin, 
per scientific theory.  As the universe DOES exist, your argument is dismissed.

.... 10th Rule of Creationism: Ignored evidence will go away...
--- FastEcho 1.46 (reg)
 * Origin: The Danse - Where Norse Gods Ponder Their Navels (1:387/638)

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