Subj : Re: Extent of the Torah
To   : JOHN WILSON
From : TODD HENSON
Date : Sat Nov 04 2000 01:18 am

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> -=> TODD HENSON wrote to JOHN WILSON <=-
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>  >
>  >      The presumption of "living creatures" when intelligence is 
propounded.
> 
> 
>  TH> Huh? You said there was the presence of intelligence in the
>  TH> universe. If you weren't talking
>  TH> about the intelligent creatures that live in the universe, then
>  TH> what were you talking about?
> 
>  Aha! Thanks for the question. I was talking about the Universe
>  being alive and struggling to devise a way to learn Everything There Is
>  To Know. After messing with molecules, minerals, blue green alge, life,
>  plants, animals, instincts, language/intelligence, consciousness--
>  it's still a long way from Home but Humans may be the closest yet...
>  Consciousness! What an idea!


So, you were referring to the universe itself being alive. OK. But, wan't
it you who disagreed 
when I said that you said that the continuum itself was alive? That would
make this recent 
answer contradictory to your previous one, so I'm a bit confused now.

Also, if you were referring to the univsere itself being alive, then
another bit of confusion arises. I 
asked why  you thought the universe was alive. If you said because of the
presence of 
intelligence in the universe, then what you basically said was "I believe
the universe is alive 
because I believe it is alive". So I don't know quite what to make of that.


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> 
>  TH> That's like saying a baby learned how to build a computer when it
>  TH> did.
> 
>  A baby with an infinite about of time to play with her infinite
>  rescouces...
> 
>  Did! The Baby was mankind of course, and we as a race are still very
>  young...


I thought the universe was the baby, learning as it goes along.


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> 
>  TH> If so, then that leaves your conjectures about a created,
>  TH> learning universe unfinished, and
>  TH> hence equally fruitless.
> 
>  Ah, but do you really think it is fruitless seeing through a glass,
>  darkly?


One doesn't necessarily relate to the other in this case. To say that a
particular ideology is 
flawed doesn't impact the overall issue of seeing through the glass darkly.

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