Subj : Re: Extent of the Torah
To   : JOHN WILSON
From : TODD HENSON
Date : Thu Nov 02 2000 07:05 pm

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> -=> TODD HENSON wrote to JOHN WILSON <=-
> 
>  >
>  >  TH> To say that intelligence exists within it (as in, it contains
>  >  TH> living creatures)
>  >
>  >    No no....no implication of living creatures...
> 
>  TH> There are no living creatures in our universe?
> 
>       No no...that the universe is (becoming) intelligent has
>       only tangental relevance to the fact there there are
>       living creatures...
> 
> 
>   Well, I'm alive, I
>  TH> live in this continuum, so I'm not
>  TH> sure what you're disagreeing with.
> 
>      The presumption of "living creatures" when intelligence is propounded.


Huh? You said there was the presence of intelligence in the universe. If
you weren't talking 
about the intelligent creatures that live in the universe, then what were
you talking about?


>  >  TH> is no where NEAR
>  >  TH> saying that the actual continuum IS intelligent, which is exactly
>  >  TH> what is meant by saying the
>  >  TH> universe is conscious.
>  >
>  >  It's becoming more conscious. It's consciousness is partially
>  >  dependent upon knowledge which it is accumulating.
>      
>  TH> Then how did it create life before it learned how?
> 
>  It learned how when it did. It has a lot of time to experiment:
>  Perhaps mankind is merely one of it's amiable blunders...(And no,
>  I do not believe that :-)


That's like saying a baby learned how to build a computer when it did.


>  TH> And why stop your line of pondering with this universe? If you
>  TH> are comparing it to a baby that is
>  TH> growing and learning, then it must have had some kind of
>  TH> "parent".
> 
>  Other universes, and a possible "Father of God" is a conjecture
>  I consider fruitless.


If so, then that leaves your conjectures about a created, learning universe
unfinished, and 
hence equally fruitless.


>  >  Th> That's like saying that ocean water is
>  >  TH> itself is alive because it contains
>  >  TH> living creatures.
>  >
>  >   No, it is not.
> 
>  TH> Yes, it is.
> 
>  >  Th> Or, that the ocean is intelligent because it
>  >  TH> contains intelligent humans who are
>  >  TH> always in it at any given time.  So, which is it?
>  >
>  >  Neither.
> 
> 
>  TH> Then there's no reason to believe that the universe is alive
>  TH> simply because there are living
>  TH> creatures in it.
> 
>  Well, of course not!
>  YOU are the one that brought up living creatures! I never used that
>  awkward fulcrum!
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