Subj : Clarification [1/3] To : TODD HENSON From : Curtis Johnson Date : Wed Nov 01 2000 11:53 pm >>> Part 1 of 3... -=> Quoting TODD HENSON to CURTIS JOHNSON <=- >>TH> school that held a seminar to GRAPHICALLY instruct high-school >>TH> kids on homosexuality, "fisting", and other such things. > > >> I have two half brothers who are in high school and neither of them >> have learned "fisting" in high school. In fact, sex education is >> required in the state of Virginia to teach abstinance before marriage. > >TH> Did I say that ALL schools teach this? No. I said *A* school. > >JL> Which school? I think this is religious propaganda. I don't think >JL> that graphical instruction in "fisting" is coming to schools... > > IIRC, the piece he posted didn't even make the claim that it > was being taught in schools, only to counselors, who of course would > have to know what the kids they were counseling were talking about. TH> You do not recall correctly. D Area: National Philosophy Topics Echo. DDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD Msg#: 716 Date: 13 Oct 00 10:04:06 From: TODD HENSON Read: Yes Replied: No To: JOSEPH VOIGT Mark: Subj: Clarification DDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD > > > > Thursday October 12 2000 07:56, TODD HENSON wrote to JOSHUA LEE: > > TH> I just got through reading some reports on a school that held a > TH> seminar to GRAPHICALLY instruct high-school kids on homosexuality, > TH> "fisting", and other such things. > > ! Which religious pamphlet did you read that in? > I didn't. http://www.massnews.com/maygsa.htm Also, To view the entire article, visit http://www.worldnetdaily.com/bluesky_exnews/20000509_xex_public_emplo.shtml Tuesday, May 9, 2000 ------------------------------------------------------------------ BRAVE NEW SCHOOLS Public employees teach kids 'gay' sex Workshops reportedly instruct youths in how to perform homosexual acts by Frank York ------------------------------------------------------------------ Three HIV instructors in Massachusetts are at the center of a growing controversy after reportedly conducting sexually explicit workshops for teenagers and holding sessions to train teachers in the art of injecting positive homosexual themes into public school materials -- down to the elementary school level. Two state employees in the HIV division of the Department of Education and an HIV consultant with the Department of Public Health led a March 25 "Teach Out" held at Tufts University. The event was sponsored by the Gay, Lesbian and Straight Education Network, or GLSEN. Note that: 1) this took place at a private university, and one with a high academic reputation at that. 2) Check your calendar: March 25 was a *Saturday*. The conclusion is clear that this event was not in a public high school. Teachers who attended the conference received state development credits for their participation. The Massachusetts Department of Education provides funding to GLSEN through its "Safe Schools Program." To the extent that GLSEN would help prevent homosexual teens from being beaten up or committing suicide over the prejudice they encounter, or preventing HIV, it would indeed promote the safety of students. Scott Whiteman, with the Massachusetts-based Parents Rights Coalition, attended several of these workshops and secretly recorded them. GLSEN has since threatened him with legal action for doing so, claiming that all participants at the "Teach Out" had to agree to a policy of confidentiality. According to Brian Camenker, president of the Parents Rights Coalition, the idea of any confidentiality requirement is a fabrication. "There was nothing told either verbally or in print in any of the literature surrounding the event about not tape recording it. There was absolutely nothing about this -- and believe me, we've been through absolutely everything," Camenker stated. To document the event, Whitehead and Camenker wrote a detailed and explicit article, "Kids Get Graphic Instruction In Homosexual Sex," in The Massachusetts News. The Gay, Lesbian and Straight Education Network claims the conference was only for "registered" participants. Camenker says it was a public event, open to anyone who wanted to attend. Whiteman registered under his own name and paid his fee. Well, well, if it required registration for the event, this makes it even farther removed from teaching in a public high school classroom. And if it were indeed open to any public who wanted to register, then the teens could well have come there on their own. Whiteman says he was shocked to learn what state employees were teaching children. Two of the instructors, Margot Abels and Julie Netherland, are listed as HIV counselors, while Michael Gaucher is listed as an HIV consultant. These instructors travel to schools throughout Massachusetts conducting HIV workshops for teens. But note well that this event was not held in a public high school. According to Whiteman, in one "Teach Out" workshop entitled, "What They Didn't Tell You About Queer Sex & Sexuality in Health Class: A Workshop For Youth Only, Ages 14-21," the three instructors encouraged teens to openly discuss various homosexual sex acts in the most explicit manner. Well, sure, that's pretty standard for *any* topic in a workshop or seminar that people might be shy about. Incidentally, if this workshop was "For Youth Only, Ages 14-21," the question is raised about Whiteman's age. If he were older than 21, would he not have been crashing a workshop he was not supposed to attend? Or if he were 21 or younger, it is surprising to find him with an outift named Parents Rights Coalition. Perhaps he forgot to use a condom? Incidentally, it is quite odd that this article says absolutely nothing about what the PRC is or what its aims are, or who funds it, etc., in contrast to the detail about GLSEN. Abels and Gaucher, according to Whiteman, both discussed the practice of "fisting" -- putting one's hand inside the anus or vagina of a sexual partner. Gaucher taught the children how to make a fist. He also discussed the pros and cons of ingesting male body fluid during oral sex. Abels told the teens that "fisting" often gets a bad rap. He said that it was "an experience of letting somebody into your body that you want to be that close and intimate with." According to Whiteman, the entire session ran 55 minutes before there was any mention of condoms or "safer sex." When condoms were discussed, the teachers pointed out that teens could make an "informed decision" not to use condoms. Condoms had probably already been covered in health class in the school, and this workshop's title specifically covered "What They Didn't Tell You About Queer Sex and Sexuality in Health Class." And, AAMOF, there are sexual situations where a condom would not be necessary to prevent STD transmission. Fisting would be one (though the instructors should mention that it would increase the likelihood of transmission later on), and mutual masturbation. 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