Subj : Bible To : RALPH ZETTER From : Curtis Johnson Date : Wed Nov 01 2000 10:03 pm > > His peculiar usage of "gnostic" is another example--but we've > already been through that, haven't we? RZ> Didn't the gnostics believe that we were pieces of God that become RZ> trapped in the world, and RZ> that through their teachings we could regain our divinity? Usage note: to avoid confusion, "Gnostic" should be capitalized to indicate reference to the Basilideans, Valentinians, etc., etc. Uncapitalized, "gnostic" is more of a general attitude that there is secret spiritual wisdom, etc. Church Father Clement of Alexandria, for instance, while arguing against Gnostics, went on at great length about the path of the "true Christian gnostic" such as himself. The Gnostics were a pretty diverse bunch, and their cosmogonies were quite complex and varied, so one hesitates to generalize. But your statement tends to fit the Neo-Platonists (IIRC) and the Manicheans much better. A lot depends also on what you mean by "regain our divinity." The Gnostics did not have a program of becoming God(s), nor did the Manicheans. --- Blue Wave/DOS v2.30 [NR] * Origin: America's favorite whine - it's your fault! (1:261/1000) .