Subj : Re: Extent of the Torah
To   : Todd Henson
From : John Wilson
Date : Wed Nov 01 2000 07:30 pm

-=> TODD HENSON wrote to JOHN WILSON <=-

 >
 >  TH> To say that intelligence exists within it (as in, it contains
 >  TH> living creatures)
 >
 >    No no....no implication of living creatures...

 TH> There are no living creatures in our universe?

      No no...that the universe is (becoming) intelligent has
      only tangental relevance to the fact there there are
      living creatures...


  Well, I'm alive, I
 TH> live in this continuum, so I'm not
 TH> sure what you're disagreeing with.

     The presumption of "living creatures" when intelligence is propounded.


 >  TH> is no where NEAR
 >  TH> saying that the actual continuum IS intelligent, which is exactly
 >  TH> what is meant by saying the
 >  TH> universe is conscious.
 >
 >  It's becoming more conscious. It's consciousness is partially
 >  dependent upon knowledge which it is accumulating.
     
 TH> Then how did it create life before it learned how?

 It learned how when it did. It has a lot of time to experiment:
 Perhaps mankind is merely one of it's amiable blunders...(And no,
 I do not believe that :-)
 
 TH> And why stop your line of pondering with this universe? If you
 TH> are comparing it to a baby that is
 TH> growing and learning, then it must have had some kind of
 TH> "parent".

 Other universes, and a possible "Father of God" is a conjecture
 I consider fruitless.

 >  Th> That's like saying that ocean water is
 >  TH> itself is alive because it contains
 >  TH> living creatures.
 >
 >   No, it is not.

 TH> Yes, it is.

 >  Th> Or, that the ocean is intelligent because it
 >  TH> contains intelligent humans who are
 >  TH> always in it at any given time.  So, which is it?
 >
 >  Neither.


 TH> Then there's no reason to believe that the universe is alive
 TH> simply because there are living
 TH> creatures in it.

 Well, of course not!
 YOU are the one that brought up living creatures! I never used that
 awkward fulcrum!


 
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