Subj : Re: Extent of the Torah
To   : Todd Henson
From : John Wilson
Date : Wed Nov 01 2000 07:22 pm

-=> TODD HENSON wrote to JOHN WILSON <=-

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 > -=> TODD HENSON wrote to JOHN WILSON <=-
 >
 >  TH> ...So no, what you said still
 >  TH> doesn't show that the universe
 >  TH> was around "forever", meaning without beginning or end.
 >
 >  Forever means: Always. For a limitless time. As time *itself*
 >  began with the universe's creation, that's all the time there is.
 >  So far (!) that's  forever. :-)


 TH> In that case, "forever" might not mean "limitless". If the
 TH> universe had a beginning, then it's
 TH> timeline isn't infinite, but only extends back about 15 billion
 TH> years (or in that ballpark). That's
 TH> not limitless.

 And the universe will end. The very last proton will eventually
 lose its...energy....and...then....time will be no more.
 I guess you could say there jes' ain't no forever...
 even though all the time there is or was or will be comes
 pretty darn near! :-)

 
 >  >  hasn't had enough time to get to know itself. Thats why we exist.
 >
 >  TH> Well, at least that's ONE clear point that might be established -
 >  TH> that the universe has not
 >  TH> existed for an infinite length of time. But, what makes you think
 >  TH> the universe doesn't know
 >  TH> itself? How long does it take?
 >
 >  I think it'll take forever :-)
 >
 >  >  If my opinion *were* well thought out, it would indicate
 >  > something about the
 >  >  collective unconscious attempting to become one with the collective
 >  >  consciousness....   :-)
 >
 >  TH> Is that so? Are you saying that your opinion is *not* well
 >  TH> thought? If so, why not?
 >
 >  Yes. No. I havn't given it an infinate amount of time. :-)


 TH> "No it's not well thought" or "no, I'm not saying that it wasn't
 TH> well thought"?

 Aswers follow the questions: 1) Is that so? Ans: Yes. Are you saying that
 your opinion is not well thopught out? Ans: No, it was merely echoing
 your statement that my opnion didn't seem well thought out.
                                                            
 >  BTW it was you who declared my opinion `not well thought out'--
 >  true, I admit of all my opinions. :-) I am a Process :-)


 
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