Subj : Rush to Judgement? To : Ralph Zetter From : Joseph Voigt Date : Wed Nov 01 2000 10:46 am Wednesday November 01 2000 07:33, RALPH ZETTER wrote to CONSTANCE RAWLEY: >> While I might disagree with Todd's aggressiveness, (I'm unable to >> think of a more suitable term at the moment), after seeing Voigt's >> posts in the Matzdobre echo and some of his arguments here, I'm >> inclined to think that "pervert" is an appropriate label for the >> person you're attempting to defend. Perhaps if you had a more >> complete picture of the exchanges involving Voigt, Henson and >> others, you'd recognize that. RZ> I've only been peeking in just a bit here, but it does seem that Todd RZ> likes to grab the bull by the horns, doesn't he? I'd have to agree RZ> though with your opinion of Mr. Voigt, You are a hateful little person, aren't you? By agreeing with Constance's opinion of me as being a pervert, you have also effectively LABELLED me as such. You haven't a clue about ANY sexual behavior I engage in. Here's a clue for you: A pervert is one who ENGAGES in deviant sexual behavior. By your somehow thinking I -AM- one tells me a lot about yourself. First, unlike Constance, I do NOT consider normal sexual behavior (as has already been addressed here) to be perversion. Secondly, you have no clue about ANY sexual behavior I may or may not engage in. Ergo, your LABELLING me a pervert merely because you hold fearful prejudices about sexuality and other people tells me you need to think about some of those opinions of yours and what makes some of your thinking rather vile. RZ> matzobre. It is quite the little vulgar hatefest there, No, it isn't. You need to learn about what hate IS. RZ> They all sound like a bunch of babies who follow you around and yell RZ> things at you because they themselves are weak. Every last one of RZ> them. You didn't even notice, but you just included Todd in that little opinion of yours, as he posts there rather frequently. You also included Constance by association, as she is an ardent reader of the echo. She actually thrills in her enjoyment of it. But, now to philosophy. How is it you make the leap that those who post there are weak? Please elaborate. This should be interesting. RZ> One big pig pen you might say. :-) As Todd Henson wallows around there, are you now LABELLING him a pig? RZ> I suppose Joseph is an atheist. Suppose all you want. But I'm a little more honest than you, else I'd suppose you are Celtic Scientologist. RZ> I might want to bring up Buddhism, but I don't want to get into a long RZ> drawn out debate on Buddhism against the Bible, because I know RZ> Christians don't have much room for other religions. And that is my whole point. This is a philosophy echo and the tendency for fundamental xians to somehow think it is an exclusive abode for xianity is what I find absurd and continue to address. I have a great deal of respect for the wisdom of Zen Buddhism, but I oppose even having that LABEL applied to myself. Zen Buddhism is simply more reasonable and enriching than is judeoxianism is all. You need to work on those opinionated LABELS of yours. >> I think Voigt's response substantiated Henson's charge. Perhaps it >> comes down to what one believes is the function of sex and the >> meaning of "perverse." This is what Voigt wrote: RZ> I feel the same, but for someone who says he's a Christian, that RZ> response seemed a wee bit harsh, dontcha think? You have it all wrong, Ralph. I never said I was a Christian. But for you to feel that I am a pervert when you know ZERO about ANY sexual behavior of mine, tells me you are deliberately dishonest in calling me something I simply am not. How terribly sad to form such a vile opinion and name call with absolutely no basis. Now, work on those hateful opinions you have of others and maybe you can actually debate philosophy with an open mind. .... "The only intelligent fundy...is an ex-fundy." Steve Rose --- FastEcho 1.46 (reg) * Origin: The Danse - Where Norse Gods Ponder Their Navels (1:387/638) .