Subj : The universe To : Todd Henson From : Joseph Voigt Date : Wed Nov 01 2000 08:47 am Wednesday November 01 2000 08:22, TODD HENSON wrote to JOHN WILSON: >> TH> You assume that other temporal realities cannot exist outside >> TH> of our own. For example, some scientists (mostly in the field >> TH> of as far as I have read) believe that there are multiple >> TH> universes... >> >> Invoking the "many worlds" theory to buttress your view is a wild >> stretch. TH> You fail to see what was being said. No, he didn't. He saw exactly what was being said. TH> He kept complaining about my words regarding other temporal realities TH> other than this one. I mentioned the many worlds theory to illustrate TH> the concept that it IS possible and certainly not illogical to speak TH> of temporal contexts that are outside of the continuum that we live TH> in. You failed to even understand what was being said. I pointed out the problems you are having understanding what temporal means. You want to pretend there is a way to step OUTSIDE the universe and measure WHEN time began. You still fail to see why that is logical fallacy. Your special plea for multiple universes doesn't change that. And it certainly doesn't bring your god into existence. That's the gist of it, Todd. TH> But you're not seeing the fact that your theory creates TH> more problems than it solves. You don't seem to realize that you are actually talking about your own god theory, Todd, but you have Occam not even having picked up his razor yet. TH> If you think Joe is as "pro Bible" as I am, then I have to either TH> question the reliability of your faculties or else assume you're just TH> having a bit of fun with me. I certainly know myself better than YOU know me. I am pro-all myths... the bible being just another myth. I am pro-Tarzan and pro-Odyssey, too. Because I don't believe a myth to be literally true doesn't make me anti-anything. You're being silly. TH> What does this have to do with the universe? It shows your myth won't bring any gods into existence. >> Joe's knowledge of the bible is evident from the rocks thrown at >> those (you) that have come to the belief that the Bible is >> literally without error, that it is, bad Greek and all, writ by the >> very Hand of God. TH> I have yet to see any decent substantial Bible knowledge from him. You just didn't like what I presented. TH> Nor have I seen any that would qualify as objective. It's always objective. I finished with my biblical subjectivity almost thirty years ago. You still have -quite- a ways to go before you will be objective about what the bible says. TH> What does this have to do with the universe? It shows your bible won't bring any gods into existence. >> I love the bible. I read it almost every day. It is a part of my >> life and a part of my society, culture, citizenship. I hate with a >> ferver matching Joe's, those who use a naieve faith as a means for >> gaining wealth/power/political influence. Jimmy Swaggart still >> wears that $5000 watch, y'know? TH> Hate? That's a pretty strong word. It's not healthy. Then why do you (and Constance) hate me? Well? TH> But again, what does Jimmy Swaggert have to do with the universe? It points out why the bible cannot be trusted to create gods. >> To disagree with, or even to be amused by, is not >> I think to "spew hate". TH> The person in question goes far beyond mere disagreement. Really?? Unlike you, I would not legislate "decency" per what you believe your gods are trying to tell you. I merely disagree... yet you would ACT on what you believe about your gods, what with your granting it the right to legislate "decency" and all. TH> But, what does this have to do with the universe? It points out that your myths won't create gods. TH> I don't care if you hold that against me. Is it possible that I might TH> have typed a bit hastily and put more bite into than I should have? TH> Sure. However, the fact remains that regardless of how calm or TH> hotheaded I may or may not have been, the response WAS a TH> perverted response. Are you now going to call me an INSANE PERVERT again? You're just plain corruptible, aren't you? Is that what your bible has done to you? .... Adam to Eve: I'll wear the plants in this family! --- FastEcho 1.46 (reg) * Origin: The Danse - Where Norse Gods Ponder Their Navels (1:387/638) .