Subj : The universe
To   : John Wilson
From : Joseph Voigt
Date : Wed Nov 01 2000 08:05 am

Hello John,

Tuesday October 31 2000 15:05, John Wilson wrote to Todd Henson:

 TH>> You assume that other temporal realities cannot exist outside of
 TH>> our own. For example, some
 TH>> scientists (mostly in the field of as far as I have read) believe
 TH>> that there are multiple universes...

 JW>  Invoking the "many worlds" theory to buttress your view is a wild
 JW> stretch.

It was, and I saw right through Todd's little stretch.

 TH>> And, look at the language you are using. You speak of a beginning
 TH>> of the universe. If the
 TH>> universe had a beginning, then it is perfectly rational to wonder
 TH>> about what came before it.

 JW>   Nope. `what time was it?' before time itself started is fun
 JW>   but meaningless.

Exactly.

 JW>  And, just to be conterntious, I'll include Joseph's faith...
 JW>  faith in Reason.

 JW>  And mine.

 JW>  In poetry. :-)

And both fit nicely into "Right Faith" per any Buddhist philosophy.

 TH>> You prove my opinion of you - you are on an anti-Bible
 TH>> inquisition.

 JW>   Crusade, mebbie. :-) Not, surely. an inquisition. :-)

Not even crusade... fun in exposing his flawed reasoning is better.

 JW>   TIME FOR UNCLE JOHN'S PSYCHO-ANALYSIS:

 JW>   I think Joseph is as muth pro bible as you are, Todd.

I am pro-all myths. :)

 JW>   Joe's knowledge of the bible is evident from the rocks thrown at
 JW> those (you) that have come to the belief that the Bible is literally
 JW> without error, that it is, bad Greek and all, writ by the very Hand
 JW> of God.

You got it right.  Unlike Todd, I've actually read the bible a few times over 
the last thirty years or so.  I've spotted the numerous flaws, absurdities, 
inconsistencies, contradictions, etc.  It reads just like any other myth.  The 
special pleas of interpretation is what keeps me laughing about it all... 
anything to keep the god alive.  I studied the whole bible in depth years 
ago... probably before Todd was born. :)

 JW>   I love the bible. I read it almost every day. It is a part of my
 JW> life and a part of my society, culture, citizenship.

Job is actually my favorite book.  But the murderous deeds of the god in the 
book is what makes it an interesting read.

 TH>> You are on a petty crusade to spew hate towards Judeochristianity.

 JW>   "spew hate" ? Whew! Hey, glad I didn't get any on *me* :-)

I think it only landed on Todd and Constance. :)  Funny thing about spew... it 
only seems to originate at the recipient's screen.

 JW>   To disagree with, or even to be amused by, is not
 JW>   I think to "spew hate".

It isn't.  Were I to think like Todd or Constance, then I would think they were 
spewing hate at me.  LOL.

 JW>   It's another way of looking at the world. There are lots of ways to
 JW> look at the world, Todd. There is your way, garnered by your
 JW> experience, education, thought, personality....et cetera....

Todd would wish to be a Thought Policeman.

 JW>   That we differ is way evident...I've come to enjoy your insulting
 JW> scorn and personal attacks...(I think I've come off easy, being
 JW> merely a `jerk'

:)

 JW>   ...I admit to being shocked when you called someone a pervert; when
 JW> his response showed you clearly that such a charge was im error you
 JW> didn't have the guts to apologize. THAT I'll hold against you.

Yes, Todd called me an INSANE PERVERT.  He didn't have me as just a pervert, 
but he also had me as being insane!  Unbelievable.  But, that tells me a lot 
about Todd.  He'll never apologize to me for his heinous behavior.  I just 
accept that he truly has issues he must deal with before he can understand why 
he is so corruptible.  Constance also labelled me a pervert because I don't 
happen to agree with her about sexual behavior. It's sad, really.

  Joe

.... A candle loses nothing by lighting another candle.
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