Subj : Rush to Judgement?
To   : RALPH ZETTER
From : TODD HENSON
Date : Wed Nov 01 2000 03:15 am

> >  
> >  On Oct. 31st, 2000 - John Wilson wrote to Todd Henson:
> >  
> >  JW> That we differ is way evident...I've come to enjoy your insulting
> >  JW> scorn and personal attacks...(I think I've come off easy, being
> >  JW> merely a `jerk'  ...I admit to being shocked when you called
> >  JW> someone a pervert; when his response showed you clearly that
> >  JW> such a charge was im error...
> >  
> >  
> >  John,
> >  
> >  While I might disagree with Todd's aggressiveness, (I'm unable to
> >  think of a more suitable term at the moment), after seeing Voigt's
> >  posts in the Matzdobre echo and some of his arguments here, I'm
> >  inclined to think that "pervert" is an appropriate label for the
> >  person you're attempting to defend. Perhaps if you had a more
> >  complete picture of the exchanges involving Voigt, Henson and others,
> >  you'd recognize that.
> 
> I've only been peeking in just a bit here, but it does seem that Todd likes
> to grab the bull by the 
> horns, doesn't he? I'd have to agree though with your opinion of  Mr.


Ummmmm..sure, you could say that. I am often direct. Sometimes I admit to
being too much 
so, but I've noticed that there are some folks that just can't handle
direct questioning and get 
defensive.


> Voigt, only because I saw 
> the "Matzdobre" echo, thinking it was something Jewish because Matzdobre is
> a misspelling of 
> matzobre. It is quite the little vulgar hatefest there, so I didn't post
> there, nor go back. They all 
> sound like a bunch of babies who follow you around and yell things at you
> because they 
> themselves are weak. Every last one of them. One big pig pen you might say.
> :-)


On that we would agree.


> I find some of Mr. Massingil's posts thoughtful, when he and Mr. Henson are
> not duking it out. 


I also find some of his posts valuable, and have saved a few for future
reference. But in the last 
couple of weeks, he's invented all kinds of "attacks" and agendas by me
that don't exist. And 
as you can tell.....well...you can dig through the old messages yourself
and see what I mean.


> Same with Mr. Wilson. John and Todd seem to go a lot of rounds. Todd, well,


The case with John is somewhat similar. There are lines of admiration
between the two, so they 
take similar attitudes.


> he seems to have 
> a very strong personality, which isn't necessarily a bad thing if it's
> channeled properly. I just 
> think that maybe some folks around here don' t like to have their ideas
> challenged and take it 
> out on the challenger. But hey, I'm just a hillbilly, what do I know? ;-)
> I'm more laid back, so a 
> person like Todd wouldn't get to me.


A "person like Todd"?   What am I like?


> I figured I'd see something about Plato here, but instead there's nothing
> but personality 
> conflicts. Kinda like Jerry Springer (heeheeee).  I guess I'll just have to


Agreed. But there is some good philosophical discussion in a minor
percentage of the time. :-)


> be the outside observer. 
> Sometimes I won't post in fear of stirring up more dust...maybe when the
> dust settles some 
> more...


Heck, jump right in. Stir.


> I do find the few truly philosphical bits here to be interesting. Todd
> believes in the Biblical God 
> and it's accompanying philosophy, John believes the universe is alive, and
> I'm still not sure what 
> Frank believes, but I like the mix of all these ideas. And how the topic
> goes back and forth 
> betwen science, religion, philosophy, and back around again. Good mix. I
> suppose Joseph is 
> an atheist. There are a few others here, but these guys seem to talk the
> most and the loudest. 
> :-)


As I said, I am direct.


> I might want to bring up Buddhism, but I don't want to get into a long
> drawn out debate on 
> Buddhism against the Bible, because I know Christians don't have much room
> for other 
> religions. Makes you wonder what they think happens to all those people who
> never heard of the 
> Bible. I guess they fry. :>)


That's not an entirely well-formed view. I appreciate certain aspects of
Buddhism, just as I 
appreciate various aspects of many religions. But there are certain core
truths that are not 
negotiable. But the writings of Paul in the NT keep following me around
lately, where he wrote 
that even though the gentiles did not have the benefit of receiving God's
Law in as detailed a 
manner as the Hebrews did, they still could obey the law of God that was
written in their hearts 
and become a law unto themselves. The soul of man is attracted to the idea
of meaning in life 
that transcends the physical, and all men have an intuitive knowledge of
such truths, truths 
which point to God.

So, while I might sau that Buddha was wrong in his ideas of reincarnation,
the gods, etc, I can 
still see the value in his teachings of the "right path", which were
motivated by the attraction of 
his soul toward God, given the amount of truth that he DID know. And I
can't summarily declare 
that he is in hell just because he wasn't a Christian. 

And there is a difference between a person who is a unbeliever because he
denied Jesus, and 
being an unbeliever because he never even heard of Jesus but was searching
for God according 
to the amount of light that he DID have. Big difference.


> >  I think Voigt's response substantiated Henson's charge. Perhaps it
> >  comes down to what one believes is the function of sex and the meaning
> >  of "perverse." This is what Voigt wrote:
> 
> I feel the same, but for someone who says he's a Christian, that response
> seemed a wee bit 
> harsh, dontcha think? But then again, he did at least admit that. From what
> I've read, not even 
> the apostles were perfect all the time. I guess just as long as a person is
> willing to admit their 
> faults.


Yes, I agree my statement could have been worded differently, but I do not
take back my 
opinion of his action.


> I guess I've crammed a lot in one post here. :)  But I didn't see too many
> posts from you here, 
> so I thought I'd compare notes with someone who doesn't seem to be caught
> in the middle of 
> the fray here.

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