Subj : The universe
To   : JOSEPH VOIGT
From : TODD HENSON
Date : Wed Nov 01 2000 12:44 am

>  >>  >> Ok. As Time itself began when the Universe did, yes the Universe
>  >>  >> has `been around' forever. But forever is not over yet :-), so
>  >>  >> the Universe
>  >>
>  >>  TH> If the space-time continuum had a *beginning*, then time in our
>  >>  TH> universe is not infinite.
>  >>
>  >> He didn't say it was.  Why don't you READ what he says?  When the
>  >> universe ends (if it does) then time also ends... forever (all of
>  >> time) is over. Get over it already and TRY to understand it. By the
>  >> very fact that you speak of a *beginning* of this universe implies a
>  >> reference to a temporal context that is above our continuum. No, it
>  >> doesn't.  Why is this so difficult for you to grasp?  Time is
>  >> intrinsic to the universe.  -Temporal- implies TIME.  The beginning
>  >> of time is synonymous with the beginning of the universe...
>  >> spacetime is the fabric of the universe. You are NOT permitted to
>  >> imply a reference above a continuum when none is needed and it is
>  >> logically absurd to do so anyway. "Beginning" in the context of time
>  >> is nothing more than a point of origin. You're being silly to
>  >> somehow think that there just MUST exist a reference outside of time
>  >> to be able to consider the origin of time.  LOL.
> 
>  TH> You assume that other temporal realities cannot exist outside of our
>  TH> own.
> 
> Nope, you don't get to tell me what I assume.  My above stands as is.  I said


Then stop assuming. If you were interested in actual conversation, then you
would have 
responded differently.


> nothing about any "other" anything.  And I also said nothing about flying 
pigs
> or "other" gods either.
> 
>  TH> For example, some scientists (mostly in the field of as far as I
>  TH> have read) believe that there are multiple universes, each having
>  TH> it's own expanse of space-time.
> 
> Science works with falsifiable evidence.  Scientists do not -believe- there 
are


Ah, so now you speak for all scientists, and summarily declare that no
scientist has ever 
BELIEVED anything about science. And I'm sure this will kick off quite a
ridiculous discussion 
involving symantical gymnastics, and the original point will be lost.


> multiple universes.  They may speculate about them, but there is no reason to
> think they must exist... and, either way, space-time cannot exist outside of
> itself re ANY universe.  You're still dismissed.


Man, you sure feel the need to "dismiss" me, don't you? I responded to this
message because I 
THOUGHT that an intelligent conversation was happening, but I see that has
been sacrificed on 
the altar of a childish ego.

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