Subj : Re: Extent of the Torah
To   : Todd Henson
From : John Wilson
Date : Tue Oct 31 2000 07:10 am

-=> TODD HENSON wrote to JOHN WILSON <=-

 TH> ...So no, what you said still
 TH> doesn't show that the universe
 TH> was around "forever", meaning without beginning or end.

 Forever means: Always. For a limitless time. As time *itself*
 began with the universe's creation, that's all the time there is.
 So far (!) that's  forever. :-)

 >  hasn't had enough time to get to know itself. Thats why we exist.
                                          
 TH> Well, at least that's ONE clear point that might be established -
 TH> that the universe has not
 TH> existed for an infinite length of time. But, what makes you think
 TH> the universe doesn't know
 TH> itself? How long does it take?

 I think it'll take forever :-)

 >  If my opinion *were* well thought out, it would indicate
 > something about the
 >  collective unconscious attempting to become one with the collective
 >  consciousness....   :-)
 
 TH> Is that so? Are you saying that your opinion is *not* well
 TH> thought? If so, why not?

 Yes. No. I havn't given it an infinate amount of time. :-)
 
 BTW it was you who declared my opinion `not well thought out'--
 true, I admit of all my opinions. :-) I am a Process :-)

  >
 >  >  TH> What would lead a person to think that space-time has
 >  >  TH> intelligence in the first place?
 >  >
 >  >  The presence of intelligence in the universe.

 >
 >  TH> That doesn't do much to really answer the question
 >
 >  Sure it does. Succiently.
 >
 >  The Universe IS space-time. That within it, intelligence exists.
 >  (is developing).
 
 TH> To say that intelligence exists within it (as in, it contains
 TH> living creatures)

   No no....no implication of living creatures...

 TH> is no where NEAR
 TH> saying that the actual continuum IS intelligent, which is exactly
 TH> what is meant by saying the
 TH> universe is conscious.

 It's becoming more conscious. It's consciousness is partially
 dependent upon knowledge which it is accumulating.
       
 Th> That's like saying that ocean water is
 TH> itself is alive because it contains
 TH> living creatures.

  No, it is not.
                
 Th> Or, that the ocean is intelligent because it
 TH> contains intelligent humans who are
 TH> always in it at any given time.  So, which is it?

 Neither.



 

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