Subj : Re: The universe
To   : Todd Henson
From : John Wilson
Date : Tue Oct 31 2000 07:05 am

-=> TODD HENSON wrote to JOSEPH VOIGT <=-


 TH> You assume that other temporal realities cannot exist outside of
 TH> our own. For example, some
 TH> scientists (mostly in the field of as far as I have read) believe
 TH> that there are multiple universes...

 Invoking the "many worlds" theory to buttress your view is a wild stretch.


 TH> And, look at the language you are using. You speak of a beginning
 TH> of the universe. If the
 TH> universe had a beginning, then it is perfectly rational to wonder
 TH> about what came before it.

  Nope. `what time was it?' before time itself started is fun
  but meaningless.


 TH> What
 TH> was it that caused the Big Bang in the first place? That is not
 TH> an irrational question at all, and it
 TH> is not irrational to understand.

 On the order of who gave birth to God...

 I believe that there are limits to human comprehension (else why be
 faith? :-)

 And, just to be conterntious, I'll include Joseph's faith...
 faith in Reason.

 And mine.

 In poetry. :-)

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 TH> You prove my opinion of you - you are on an anti-Bible
 TH> inquisition.

  Crusade, mebbie. :-) Not, surely. an inquisition. :-)

  TIME FOR UNCLE JOHN'S PSYCHO-ANALYSIS:

  I think Joseph is as muth pro bible as you are, Todd. I've been a student
  for fifty years, (detailed ego-filling resume available upon obsequious
  pleas) :-)

  Joe's knowledge of the bible is evident from the rocks thrown at those
  (you) that have come to the belief that the Bible is literally without
  error, that it is, bad Greek and all, writ by the very Hand of God.

  I love the bible. I read it almost every day. It is a part of my life and
  a part of my society, culture, citizenship. I hate with a ferver
  matching Joe's, those who use a naieve faith as a means for gaining
  wealth/power/political influence. Jimmy Swaggart still wears
  that $5000 watch, y'know?

  Still, it's a pleasure reading Ephesians.

  .....AND the Gnostic Gospels.... :-)

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 TH> You are on a petty
 TH> crusade to spew hate towards
 TH> Judeochristianity.

  "spew hate" ? Whew! Hey, glad I didn't get any on *me* :-)

  To disagree with, or even to be amused by, is not
  I think to "spew hate".

  It's another way of looking at the world. There are lots of ways to look
  at the world, Todd. There is your way, garnered by your experience,
  education, thought, personality....et cetera....

  That we differ is way evident...I've come to enjoy your insulting scorn
  and personal attacks...(I think I've come off easy, being merely a `jerk'
  ...I admit to being shocked when you called someone a pervert; when his
  response showed you clearly that such a charge was im error you didn't
  have the guts to apologize. THAT I'll hold against you.

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