Subj : The Game
To   : FRANK MASINGILL
From : TODD HENSON
Date : Mon Oct 30 2000 07:19 pm

>  JL> Koheles already said "there is nothing new under the sun"
>  JL> before Voegelin. It is part of modern arrogance that we insist
>  JL> that there is.
> 
>  FM> That was one of Voegelin's favorite books and the favored
>  FM> passages were those that went, "There is a time for.... and a
>  FM> time for...."  A time for EVERYTHING under the sun.
> 
>  JL> True. Of course, it's important to know exactly when it's the
>  JL> time for something...
> 
>         Joshua, I think the point of that wisdom is not that we
> could KNOW when the time has come but that we recognize the truth
> that "under heaven"  no THING lasts forever.  I, for example, am 80
> and the other day experienced a weaker spell than I have experienced
> in many years.  I wondered if the time for me to die had come and
> since I do not want to die in a hospital if it can be avoided at
> all, I resisted being taken to the emergency room.  It didn't happen
> THAT time, but I was born and so I will die.  That is inescapable.
> What comes INTO existence goes OUT of existence.  That is why when I
> hear the Divine Ground of existence that we experience in
> consciousness being talked about as an "existing thing" I think I am
> hearing something strange indeed - perhaps the voice of an


What is strange is your continued resistance to actually answering
questions that have arisen 
around this very thing. What do you mean by God being non-existent? If He
doesn't exist, then 
how can He be more than a mere figment of the mind?


> egophantic fool (in the sense of the "fool who has said in his
> heart, there is no God" - not the ordinary "silly fool").  Only the
> libibdo dominandi could imagine this non-thingly, Divine Ground of
> Existence that draws the philosopher in his search for it to be less
> than the universal experience of the human or pertaining to anything
> less than universality.  


If God isn't real, then there would be nothing that draws the philosopher
in the first place.

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