Subj : Re: Extent of the Torah
To   : Todd Henson
From : John Wilson
Date : Tue Oct 24 2000 11:53 pm

-=> TODD HENSON wrote to JOHN WILSON <=-

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 > -=> TODD HENSON wrote to JOHN WILSON <=-
 >
 >  >
 >  >  My opinion (veering onto belief) is that
 >  >
 >  >  1. The universe is alive.
 >  >
 >  >  2. It's Purpose is to understand itself.
 >  >
 >  >  3. All knowledge (of anything) is a part of that process.
 >  >
 >  >  4. Which is justification enough for man's existance.
 >
 >
 >  TH> If the universe was smart enough to form for itself the beautiful
 >  TH> set of laws and principles that we
 >  TH> call "physics", then it would seem to know itself pretty well
 >  TH> already.
 >
 >  Naaa. The Physics `it' knows has nothing to do with
 >  life, love, liberty, consciousness....
 >
 >  ...but it's learnin' and we're helpin' :-)


 TH> Doesn't sound like a well-formed body of thought.

  Well, it's my brain, and I guess I'm stuck with it. :-)


 TH> Seems more like
 TH> a way to project the divine
 TH> into a lower form that is easier accessible to us

 A process not unique to my `opinion' :-)

 , and I'm sure
 TH> our resident mystic, Frank, would
 TH> balk at such an idea

 We'll see... :-)

 , as well as the suggestion that we are gods,
 TH> when your premise seems to
 TH> state exactly that.

  Ah yes...

  "The ultimate irony: we are God's - and know it not."

  I don't know whom I'm quoting, but I've used it as a handy way to
  remember just what irony *is* :-)

  Just what in my 'premise' led you to conclude that my thought
  was that "we are gods" ?
                          

 TH> I know he's not too found drawing god within
 TH> ourselves to declare ourselves
 TH> as such.

 I take it you meant "...fond of drawing..."
 Still your sentence is not clear. In discussing what Frank is or is not
 fond of, I'll check with Frank.


 >  TH> And how long has the universe been around? Forever? If so, then
 >  TH> it would already have had
 >  TH> enough time to get to know itself. If it hasn't been around
 >  TH> forever, then where did it come from,
 >  TH> and who made it? A momma universe?
 >
 >  My `opinion' didm't/dosn't address that. A Momma Universe. Now THERE'S
 >  a concept....


 TH> Maybe your opinion *should*.

 Ok. As Time itself began when the Universe did, yes the Universe has
 `been around' forever. But forever is not over yet :-), so the Universe
 hasn't had enough time to get to know itself. Thats why we exist.
 If my opinion *were* well thought out, it would indicate something about the
 collective unconscious attempting to become one with the collective
 consciousness....   :-)


 >  TH> What would lead a person to think that space-time has
 >  TH> intelligence in the first place?
 >
 >  The presence of intelligence in the universe.


 TH> That doesn't do much to really answer the question

 Sure it does. Succiently.

 The Universe IS space-time. That within it, intelligence exists.
 (is developing).

 , no more than
 TH> if I claimed that my vacuum
 TH> cleaner is a seasoned fighter because of the presence of martial
 TH> arts skills in my house.

 I'm sorry, but I can make no sense out of this.

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 >  TH> But, I know that to actually examine an idea is something that
 >  TH> you consider evil...
 >
 >  What? You know this? Congratulations! Any charge for this
 >  `logical analysis' ? :-)


 TH> Nope. It's free.

 And worth every penny.

 
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