Subj : Bible
To   : Joshua Lee
From : Joseph Voigt
Date : Thu Oct 26 2000 06:27 am

Tuesday October 24 2000 20:16, Joshua Lee wrote to Joseph Voigt:

 JL> Society, in basing it's morality partially upon Judaic morals, has
 JL> (or had) a pretty good idea of what is normal sexuality;

For a religious judaic society.  Judaic morals are not an end all of what is 
normal sexuality for any given society any more than Wiccan morals are. There 
is no reason for me to accept that judaic morals determine normal sexuality.  
Reason suffices.  Society dictates what is normal sexual behavior via concensus 
of the people, not via religious dictates.

 JL>  heterosexual
 JL> activity within the marriage bond; and what is excessive or perverse.
 JL> Excessive or perverse sexuality changes one, it makes one more like
 JL> an animal; and society has every right to not be a society of
 JL> animals; no big brotherism intended.

We ARE animals by definition.  One person's perversion is another's normalcy.  
Society allows all sorts of sexual behaviors that you might consider perverse, 
but it doesn't make those who engage in such any less human.  You can claim all 
you want that they are more like animals, but your religious beliefs won't make 
them any less human.

 JL>> I am for freedom of choice; immorality impedes the freedom of
 JL>> choice by making people more like animals.

 JV>> Says who?  Who is going to decide for all of us what sexual
 JV>> behaviors are immoral in the first place?

 JL> Nu, God has.

Really??  Please provide falsifiable evidence to support your claim about the 
existence of your god.  Short of you doing that, I can legitimately dismiss 
your claim about what a god said about immorality.

 JL> But one can learn this from reason as well.

Reason without gods.

.... Christianity: Three gods for the price of one.
--- FastEcho 1.46 (reg)
 * Origin: The Danse Macabre - joevoigt.home.texas.net (1:387/638)

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