Subj : Big fat warning, oh my! To : Frank Masingill From : Curtis Johnson Date : Tue Oct 24 2000 11:02 pm -=> Quoting Frank Masingill to Curtis Johnson <=- FM> What continues to get my high interest is the importance FM> atheists give to religious literature. I find that FM> fascinating. CJ> Actually, most don't give it that much importance: it's just CJ> that you're more likely to here someone describe themselves as CJ> an atheist, agnostic, etc. in discussions about religious CJ> literature. Some are fascinated by religious literature, but CJ> then educated Englishmen of the 18th and 19th centuries were CJ> fascinated by Graeco-Roman mythology. FM> And, those who want to learn about man ALL THE WAY are still FM> fascinated by whatever might be discovered about his behavior FM> whether or not it is the role of magic in the lives of the Trobriand FM> islanders or the meaning of the Memphite theology of Egypt of the FM> third century, B.C.E or findings of paleontologist wherever markings FM> might be found in the Stone Ages. He would not wish to relegate the FM> foundational element of man and his consciousness to the "dark" ages FM> preceding the great "scientific" enlightenment (prohibition of FM> questions) of Marx, Comte and THEIR "religious literature." FM> I have not found that in my search for the truth of FM> existence that religious dogmatism is a huge problem. As a matter FM> of fact as I look back upon my life and study, I think I overcame FM> that without too much difficulty because the suspicion began in FM> childhood. But as to secular dogmatism, I found, to my great FM> surprise, that the educational system through the universities there FM> was also tremendous closure and dogmatism. I have had to struggle FM> against the freedom of what Bergson symbolized as the "elan vitale" FM> or the constancy of the Aristotelian "wonder" that with Plato's nous FM> is the heart center of philosophy as the deadly opponent of FM> "philodoxy" (love of dogma). Since I also do not consider the "God" FM> symbol to be representative of an "existing thing" I also have been FM> insulated against the mighty torrent of the "God is Dead" FM> foolishness. FM> Thus, I occupy the shaft which has become my symbol for the FM> universe of all that surrounds me, quite aware that this is a FM> reality which CANNOT be viewed in ANY measure as an object from an FM> Archimedian point OUTSIDE of it because I, with everything else in FM> my perspective PARTICIPATE only in the shaft and neither caused it FM> nor am able to fathom its final meaning. This ineluctable condition FM> does not make me FEEL either happy or unhappy. I simply follow the FM> advice of Eric Voegelin and attempt to stay as attuned to its order FM> as possible as a source of order in myself and society. I hope this FM> provides me with enough conscience, Socratically speaking, to FM> pronounce something of judgement upon myself as to the adequacy of FM> the attunement. I'm sorry, and it may very well be me, but I really couldn't find much of a "hook" on this for a response of any kind. --- Blue Wave/DOS v2.30 [NR] * Origin: America's favorite whine - it's your fault! (1:261/1000) .