Subj : The Game
To   : Todd Henson
From : Joseph Voigt
Date : Fri Oct 27 2000 07:43 am

Friday October 27 2000 03:50, TODD HENSON wrote to JOSHUA LEE:

 >> Let history show how much your messiah ussured in the age of peace.

[your xian apologetics rant left intact to expose your wound]

 TH> That sounded like something motivated by pure spite. Ignorance
 TH> definitely. You commit the horrible error of claiming that the truth
 TH> of Jesus's message is somehow affected by the mistakes that others
 TH> have made who were using his name as an excuse. That's such a basic
 TH> error, it's laughable. I'm especially disappointed that you'd revert
 TH> to such an attitude in light of all the (what I thought was)
 TH> meaningful conversation we've had about this very
 TH> topic in the past.

 TH> If I wanted to go tit for tat, I could easily point out every instance
 TH> of idolatry, incest, murder, stubbornness, and outright rejection of
 TH> God's will that YOUR people have committed, even to the point of
 TH> earning for themselves being slain and driven from their homeland by
 TH> the empires like the Assyrians, Babylonians, etc. And your own
 TH> scriptures attest to the fact that GOD let or caused these things to
 TH> happen as punishment. And, if the situation were different, if Jews
 TH> took hold of such power as the Catholic Church once did, we'd probably
 TH> be complaining about the inquisitions that THEY committed.

 TH> So, I'm surprised that for someone who would presume to ask ME about
 TH> how familiar I am with philosophy, that same person would commit such
 TH> glaring thought errors.

 TH> And you presume that Jesus claimed that within this current age that
 TH> his followers would usher in a world of peace in the first place.
 TH> Jesus warned of wars and of those who claim to follow him but really
 TH> don't. His kingdom was not one of earthly glory, where it's boundaries
 TH> existed here on earth, but of a spiritual kingdom, who boundaries lie
 TH> in the souls of the faithful, who would be at odds with the warlike
 TH> ways of the world.

 TH> You once told me about how you can't help seeing painful images in
 TH> your head when you speak of Christianity. I think that bias may be
 TH> more of an influential factor than you realize, causing
 TH> you to ignore the soul-changing truth that Christ preached and
 TH> choosing to see only those negative (exaggerated) factors that justify
 TH> your ill feelings.

 TH> It has caused you to completely miss the substance and the spirit of
 TH> what I wrote. Whether we be Jew or Christian, I'm sure that's not what
 TH> God intended.

It never surprises me when you are confronted with the cold, hard truth of the 
vicious, hateful, murderous atrocities Christians have done to unbelievers in 
the name of their Jesus over the last 2000 years, that you always want to 
pretend they were not Real True Xians in the first place. The horrid history of 
what Christians have done remains.  How vile! Apologetics cannot change that.

.... "Paul is a liar, he said so. (Romans 3:7)" - Simon Ewins
--- FastEcho 1.46 (reg)
 * Origin: The Danse - Where Norse Gods Ponder Their Navels (1:387/638)

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