Subj : Re: The Game
To   : Todd Henson
From : Joshua Lee
Date : Thu Oct 26 2000 11:32 pm

-=> TODD HENSON wrote to JOSHUA LEE <=-

 >  FM> as if Christianity ruled the horizons of the world and, for the
 >
 > No comment.
 >
 >  FM> atheist, ruining those horizons UNTIL the positivist came along to
 >  FM> make the correction!!!!
 >
 > Y'all tried to make a "correction" 2,000 years ago, and we're still
 > fightin' about it today. ;-)

 TH> A "correction"? Well, I guess it depends on how you look at that. I
 TH> know the intent of the comment was humorous, but it did bring to

It was humorous, and I didn't really expect a response.

 TH> Jesus never made a mistatement. Nor did he make false prophecies.

He only had four conflicting biographies. ;-)

 TH> do was to allow the spiritual nature of God's law to be expressed
 TH> without the framework of earthly legalism.

What's so bad about obeying a law?

 TH> Let's take a look at the two types of laws - earthly (physical), and
 TH> spiritual. Earthly laws do not, for the most part, care about the
 TH> contents of the heart.

 TH> Spiritual law is different. It DOES care about the heart, but it
 TH> doesn't have it's ultimate consequences enforced here on earth.

The Izbitzer Rebbe and others, especially in the Chasidic and Mussar
traditions, talk about one's thoughts and heart and the importance
of keeping them pure. However, we don't believe that eternal torture
awaits all that had the wrong religion.

 TH> nations. It is to the credit of Judaism (and religions influenced by
 TH> Judaism) that these forms
 TH> of worship are less widespread in the world today. This was the whole
 TH> point!

I agree, as I said before, Maimonidies and Nachmanidies considered
xtianity and Islam to have been part of god's plan in this way.

 TH> but there was a spiritual lesson being taught. In Judaica, someone
 TH> quoted a rabbi to me, and he said something like how the golden rule

Rabbi Hillel (a sage who lived before J.) said, "What is hateful to
yourself, do not do to others. This is the Torah, the rest is commentary.
Now go and study!" Note that he said "now go and study", once one
recieves the general principle (klal), it is a call to understand the
particulars. (prat)

 TH> However, the reliance on earthly law was never God's intention. It was

The Torah is not earthly.

 TH> If you look past all the cultural differences and hostility between
 TH> Christians and Jews (YES, both are guilty of harsh views of one
 TH> another), then you will see that the core of what Jesus taught was the
 TH> same as what the Law taught - fairness, hope for the oppressed and
 TH> downtrodden, to love your neighbor, and to love God with all your being,
 TH> to do His will, etc.

What J. taught that was not new, that was good things and things we
agree on. What J. taught that was new, those were not such good things
for a Jew.

 TH> The spiritual core of what Jesus taught was the same spiritual lessons
 TH> as the
 TH> Mosaic law, but that the new covt was what happened when the law of the
 TH> spirit was removed from it's earthly Mosaic sheath.

Let history show how much your messiah ussured in the age of peace.

                       JBL

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