Subj : EUROPE [2] To : FRANK MASINGILL From : TODD HENSON Date : Wed Oct 25 2000 07:46 pm Eric Voegelin, in one of his volumes, remarks that "things > do not happen in the astrophysical universe; the astrophysical > universe together with all things in it happens in God." > > Let us agree that he is using the Platonic-Christian > symbolism, "God" as the "Ground of Existence (Being), and that he > wishes to be understood as assigning ultimate mystery and divinity > to this ultimate reality so far as Man is concerned, again taking > these words as with ALL language elements to be symbolism with > beginnings in the minds of men at points in history, as "quality" > and "quantity", e.g. begin with Cicero as far as known. > > I am attempting to discover what it is with which you truly > replace this symbol and related symbols and the differences in > meaning thereby intended. > > Thus, in that sentence quoted from Voegelin, with what word > or phrase would you replace the last word? Instead of "God" would > it be "the inflated ego of man." I'm guessing you DO have > difficulty with a phrase like that although I'm not sure why. Would > the replacement be an abstract entity like "Progress" with the > abstraction, despite Whitehead's warning, concretized to illustrate > all that Man can accomplish provided Man gives up searches for any > truth of existence beyond HIMSELF that serve only as distraction. > This, after all, IS the center of our debate, is if not. Egads. I think you hit the nail squarely on the head. Especially with the last comments to how he treats "Progress". It's like an abstraction that is a more comfortable replacement for God, one that can be related to in easy, plain, numeric terms, rather than in spiritual terms. --- Platinum Xpress/Win/WINServer v3.0pr4 * Origin: BBS Networks @ www.bbsnets.com 808-839-5016 (1:10/345) .