Subj : Extent of the Torah
To   : Todd Henson
From : Joseph Voigt
Date : Tue Oct 24 2000 09:32 am

Tuesday October 24 2000 02:44, TODD HENSON wrote to CHUCK PIERSON:

 >> But the argument could be made that much as we humans are
 >> continuously trying to better understand ourselves, the universe is
 >> doing the same.  To not try and learn more than you do seems to me
 >> to lead to stagnation.

 TH>  But I see little reason to anthropomorphize the universe and
 TH> arbitrarily project human personality aspects to the space-time
 TH> continuum,

Then what reason do you see to anthropomorphize your gods and arbitrarily 
project human personality aspects to them?  Is it merely because your biblical 
literalism requires it of you?  Particulary amusing is the human attribute of 
-jealousy- that your main god requires of itself.

 TH> If the universe increases the knowledge of itself over time, and if it
 TH> has had an INFINITE amount of time to accomplish this task, then the
 TH> conclusion I made is pretty clear.

Well, since your second -IF- cannot be an assumption since it is incorrect in 
the first place, your conclusion must also be incorrect.  The universe has only 
been around for 15 billion years (give or take 20%)... not hardly an -infinite- 
amount of time!

 TH> And if the universe is not temporally infinite, then that brings the
 TH> question of where it came from.

Temporally infinite??  It -IS- limited by time, as time is intrinsic to it.

 TH> I do not even believe the "living universe" is true, but I did go so
 TH> far as to state some objections in the same kind of language that the
 TH> original premise was formed in.

Which were shown invalid.

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