Subj : Re: Extent of the Torah
To   : JOHN WILSON
From : TODD HENSON
Date : Tue Oct 24 2000 12:06 am

> SGID: 1:153/7715.0 39f4b82a
> -=> TODD HENSON wrote to JOHN WILSON <=-
> 
>  >
>  >  My opinion (veering onto belief) is that
>  >
>  >  1. The universe is alive.
>  >
>  >  2. It's Purpose is to understand itself.
>  >
>  >  3. All knowledge (of anything) is a part of that process.
>  >
>  >  4. Which is justification enough for man's existance.
> 
> 
>  TH> If the universe was smart enough to form for itself the beautiful
>  TH> set of laws and principles that we
>  TH> call "physics", then it would seem to know itself pretty well
>  TH> already.
> 
>  Naaa. The Physics `it' knows has nothing to do with
>  life, love, liberty, consciousness....
> 
>  ...but it's learnin' and we're helpin' :-)


Doesn't sound like a well-formed body of thought. Seems more like a way to
project the divine 
into a lower form that is easier accessible to us, and I'm sure our
resident mystic, Frank, would 
balk at such an idea, as well as the suggestion that we are gods, when your
premise seems to 
state exactly that. I know he's not too found drawing god within ourselves
to declare ourselves 
as such.


>  TH> And how long has the universe been around? Forever? If so, then
>  TH> it would already have had
>  TH> enough time to get to know itself. If it hasn't been around
>  TH> forever, then where did it come from,
>  TH> and who made it? A momma universe?
> 
>  My `opinion' didm't/dosn't address that. A Momma Universe. Now THERE'S
>  a concept....


Maybe your opinion *should*.


>  TH> What would lead a person to think that space-time has
>  TH> intelligence in the first place?
> 
>  The presence of intelligence in the universe.


That doesn't do much to really answer the question, no more than if I
claimed that my vacuum 
cleaner is a seasoned fighter because of the presence of martial arts
skills in my house.

But I'll at least give you credit for recognizing that the presence of
intelligent beings in the 
universe somehow points to source of consicousness that transcends
humanity. That seems to 
be at least a step in the right direction. Although I wouldn't say that
anthopomorphizing empty 
space would be the right answer. Intelligence, spirit, the intangible
things of man, they have a 
presence within the physical realm, but are not limited by it. Transferring
intelligence to the 
physical space-time continuum seems to work counter to the intangible
nature of the human 
soul.


>  TH> But, I know that to actually examine an idea is something that
>  TH> you consider evil...
> 
>  What? You know this? Congratulations! Any charge for this
>  `logical analysis' ? :-)


Nope. It's free.
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