Subj : Big fat warning, oh my! To : Curtis Johnson From : Frank Masingill Date : Mon Oct 23 2000 07:51 pm FM> What continues to get my high interest is the importance FM> atheists give to religious literature. I find that FM> fascinating. CJ> Actually, most don't give it that much importance: it's just CJ> that you're more likely to here someone describe themselves as CJ> an atheist, agnostic, etc. in discussions about religious CJ> literature. Some are fascinated by religious literature, but CJ> then educated Englishmen of the 18th and 19th centuries were CJ> fascinated by Graeco-Roman mythology. And, those who want to learn about man ALL THE WAY are still fascinated by whatever might be discovered about his behavior whether or not it is the role of magic in the lives of the Trobriand islanders or the meaning of the Memphite theology of Egypt of the third century, B.C.E or findings of paleontologist wherever markings might be found in the Stone Ages. He would not wish to relegate the foundational element of man and his consciousness to the "dark" ages preceding the great "scientific" enlightenment (prohibition of questions) of Marx, Comte and THEIR "religious literature." I have not found that in my search for the truth of existence that religious dogmatism is a huge problem. As a matter of fact as I look back upon my life and study, I think I overcame that without too much difficulty because the suspicion began in childhood. But as to secular dogmatism, I found, to my great surprise, that the educational system through the universities there was also tremendous closure and dogmatism. I have had to struggle against the freedom of what Bergson symbolized as the "elan vitale" or the constancy of the Aristotelian "wonder" that with Plato's nous is the heart center of philosophy as the deadly opponent of "philodoxy" (love of dogma). Since I also do not consider the "God" symbol to be representative of an "existing thing" I also have been insulated against the mighty torrent of the "God is Dead" foolishness. Thus, I occupy the shaft which has become my symbol for the universe of all that surrounds me, quite aware that this is a reality which CANNOT be viewed in ANY measure as an object from an Archimedian point OUTSIDE of it because I, with everything else in my perspective PARTICIPATE only in the shaft and neither caused it nor am able to fathom its final meaning. This ineluctable condition does not make me FEEL either happy or unhappy. I simply follow the advice of Eric Voegelin and attempt to stay as attuned to its order as possible as a source of order in myself and society. I hope this provides me with enough conscience, Socratically speaking, to pronounce something of judgement upon myself as to the adequacy of the attunement. Frank --- PPoint 2.07 * Origin: Maybe in 5000 years (1:396/45.12) .