Subj : Big fat warning, oh my! To : John Wilson From : Curtis Johnson Date : Sat Oct 21 2000 07:27 pm -=> Quoting John Wilson to Constance Rawley <=- CR> I recall reading that there was a variation on 666 but don't CR> remember where or what the number was. What manuscripts are you CR> referring to? JW> I *think* it's in the notes in either, The Jerusalem Bible, The JW> American Bible (Catholic), possibly in The Scofield Bible,.... My NAB has no mention. However, my Jerusalem edition notes "Var. 616" without saying which MSS. I have read Irenaus's mention of 616, and Lactantius explictly saying that the Beast was Nero. Interestingly, Jerusalem also says that in Greek "Caesar God" adds up to 616, something I just saw for the first time. All the other sources I've seen (Enc. Britannica, for example) speak of the Greek variant of Nero's name and title adding up to 616. An alternate proposal for the origin of the 616 variant is that Caligula was originally meant, because his numerology adds up to 616, and he had ordered his statue erected in the Jerusalem temple ("abomination of desolation"), but was assassinated before that took place, thanks to foot-dragging by the Roman governor who knew that would immediately have touched off a religious war. JW> The manuscripts I was refering to were the ancient New Yestiment JW> manuscrips and shards of JW> manuscripts many (most) with at least some varient readings (e.g., JW> the three endings of Matthew's Gospel, cannonical varients).......616 JW> was I distinctly remember JW> memtioned in more than one reference book, I've read...Hope this JW> helps...:) Nitpick--it's GMark that has the variant endings. --- Blue Wave/DOS v2.30 [NR] * Origin: America's favorite whine - it's your fault! (1:261/1000) .