Subj : Re: Extent of the Torah
To   : Joseph Voigt
From : John Wilson
Date : Sat Oct 21 2000 06:25 pm

-=> Joseph Voigt wrote to John Wilson <=-

 JV> ... my favorite and eminent physicist, Freeman Dyson,...
 JV> He opines that there are
 JV> three levels of Mind.  Essentially, the Mind of the
 JV> Universe, the Mind of Man, and the Mind of Lesser
 JV> Creatures.

  Pretty good!

   Of course, I have my doubts.  Looks like Dyson
 JV> got spiritual. :)

 For shame! :)

 JW>  2. It's Purpose is to understand itself.

 JV> I have my doubts.  I suspect it just IS.  We give purpose
 JV> to the universe and to ourselves because we CAN.

 I admit its an opinion of convenience. It gives purpose without
 the necessity of garnering money for stained-glass windows.
 A neat trick...at least :-)


 JW>  3. All knowledge (of anything) is a part of that process.

 JV> Still doubting...

 ok....

 JW>  4. Which is justification enough for man's existance.

 JV> Or, we justify our existence because we CAN.  Because we
 JV> can validate ourselves is enough justification for our
 JV> existence.

     Well I just consider it an opinion that validates the validation
     of ourselves...no harm done...and beings to make more sense
     when reading/studying Walker, a follower of Gurdjieff...
                                                             
 JW>  5. There is more. Mankind is asleep, and awakening is possible.
 JW>  (Gurdjieffian stuff...I'm still learning about this...)

 JV> Let me know when you wake up. :)

     You wouldn't hear me...

 JW>  6. (On Gods, yer fave subject :-)   )  :

 JV> Actually, not my fave.  My fave is SKEPTICISM.
     
 JW>  The Ultimate irony: we are Gods, and know it not.

 JV> We are more gods than any other being so far discovered is,
 JV> yep...


 JW>  Well. Anything so far worthy of your scorn? :-)

 JV> No.  One's opinions and beliefs don't bother me.  It's
 JV> people like Henson who claim to KNOW their beliefs about
 JV> gods to be TRUE, and then ACT on those beliefs, that do
 JV> bother me.

   You had...uh...conversations in HOLYSMOKE? I've never been to
   that notorious place...and, from what
   i've heard, wouldn't like it....

 
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