Subj : talking to myself
To   : Russell Tiedt
From : Maurice Kinal
Date : Sun Feb 13 2005 11:00 am

Hey Russell!

Feb 12 17:22 05, Russell Tiedt wrote to Maurice Kinal:

 RT> As long as it does not generate msgs. faster than it creates MSGID's 
 RT> there 
 RT> should not be a problem, even if it wastes/skips a few here and 
 RT> there.

Personally I'd prefer it actually produced a meaningful ID that could be 
employed further on down the line.  For dupechecking?  I doubt it is good for 
that.  Too easy to give an actual duped message a whole new ID and it will get 
past everyone.  You can count on that happening.  However the reverse, a new 
message with a duped ID, is probably more common then any one system is aware 
of.  For example I get non-dupe-dupes in my dupe file from Janis that don't 
ever show up at all, nevermind in the dupe area, on the node's system which has 
a different uplink.  I figure that is because wherever these messages are 
originating aren't passing through too many systems before Janis gets them and 
thus I recieve them from there, whereas on the node there is at least one 
system between myself and the originating system that is filtering them out as 
dupes based on the phoney-baloney, flawed MSGID dupe "standard".  Given that 
then it seems to me that I am only seeing the tip of the iceberg and that each 
so-called dupe I do see probably represents a small fraction of what is really 
going on.  Does that make sense?

 RT> I on occasion still catch a lot of dupes especially from Bob Seaborn, 
 RT> I would 
 RT> have expected his system to filter out all dupes but it does not seem 
 RT> so, must 
 RT> still check that sometime.

How many of those are REAL dupes?  Also, if they are REAL dupes check the 
originating system, etc. and see if there is any commonality between all the 
dupes. Also, also, how many REAL dupes are making it past your dupe checking 
and what is the commonality of those?  I've noted some interesting things 
following this ideology.  Here at Kumalockasun we started calling stuff like 
that "pulling a Swindle", heh, heh.  Care to guess why?

Life is good,
Maurice

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