Subj : don't cry for me I have vi
To   : tony summerfelt
From : Maurice Kinal
Date : Mon Apr 04 2005 05:23 pm

Hey Tony!

 ts> yeah, i was talking about windows. linux ide's are still at the
 ts> sucking wind stage...

An understatement methinks.  Like I said, not much Unix-type source is all that 
condusive to ide's.  That is more a DOS-think and now Windows-type thingy given 
the huge amount of code any given application requires in order to compensate 
for the lack of OS design in terms of reusable programming within the OS 
itself.  Far too much glitz and not enough guts wrt Windows ... to say the 
least.

 ts> i think that's because they tried to make $1000 a pop with it on a free
 ts>  os...didn't gel all that well with linux developers

Could be but I doubt that was *thee* coffin nail.  Speaking as a user I find 
little need for things like ide's.  When I used one on DOS way back when I 
thought then it was a real neccessity, but after playing with Linux this last 
decade I not only learned to live without the ide but found I actually wouldn't 
even use it, let alone need it.  There is just too much good basic OS up and 
running to supply the basic day-to-day computer operations, and then some, to 
even bother trying to replace by some code that requires that many lines of 
code where an ide would begin to be attractive.  Wouldn't you say that is true?

 ts> true enough. obviously you wouldn't use a perl ide on anything much
 ts> under 100 lines of perl code...

Exactly my above point.  I would really, really have to get ultracreative to 
think up more then 100 lines of code that could outdo what Linux can already do 
without any lines of any of my code, Perl or otherwise.  The txt2pkt.pl hack is 
sitting around 30 lines as it stands at the moment and I think it could be 
trimmed down a tad ... if I just got off my * and did it.  :-)  I've been lazy 
lately.  Spring must be around the corner.

 ts> however on 1000+ lines of perl code, for an application, an ide is
 ts> a must. especially if you are working remotely/collaboratively, etc.
 ts>  command line tools just don't cut it that point...

I'd mostly agree with that.  If the remotely/collaboratively people were 
working with Windows then for sure I'd agree 100% with your above assessment.  
If the project or target is Linux then it is unlikely yoou'd have 1000+ lines 
of code to begin with though ... unless of course you are better then all the 
programmers that came before.  I sure as heck am not ... again to say the 
least.

 ts> from what i read on the mailing list komodo works very well is
 ts>  probably the premiere perl/tcl/python ide for linux...in the windows
 ts>  world it has a lot of competition

That I know nothing or little about.  All I know for sure is that in 
WindowsLand competition is a dime a dozen and little of it is worth the 
original dime.  ;-)

- Maurice


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