Subj : OFFLINE READER NEEDE To : Bill Wise From : Scott Little Date : Mon Aug 07 2000 01:38 pm [ 05 Aug 00 06:28, Bill Wise wrote to All ] BW> derogatory remarks refer to. Not flaming you at all, I'd just like don't mind me - this is a debate echo, so I ruffle feathers on purpose to keep things moving along.. it's all very boring otherwise. let the flames begin.. SL>> bad about it is Apple's fault (the OS). Aesthetics are meaningless BW> Since this iMac is my first Macintosh, I have no idea what your [snip] BW> you to explain what leads you to say what you do. Thanks. From a technical standpoint, MacOS is really bad. Co-operative multitasking, no memory protection (and for such an alleged user-friendly OS, I don't see why one would need to manually tweak memory allocation in certain cases), and a really horrid interface (I hate the GUI - the way it looks is irrelevant, I detest the way it behaves). These things should have died a decade ago - even OS/2 was doing it back then, on the butt-ugly x86 architecture. OTOH, Windows 95/98/ME have a better technical architecture, but the implementation is REALLY REALLY shocking :) NT/2000 is different yet again, and doesn't suck anywhere near as hard as the Win9x jobs. if it's your first Mac, and if you were never hard core about other OS' then you probably won't miss anything. You'll just accept your limited OS' functionality as normal and get on with life. Personally, I can't stand the trend towards dumbing down such a powerful machine into a VCR or microwave appliance. Hell, some people can't even program the VCR and there's only a handful of buttons.. they must be on the verge of a coronary when they sight the power that is a computer. As for aesthetics.. I don't really care what my machine looks like as long as it doesn't hurt my eyes to look at. iMac's are one of those painful objects, along with lava lamps and anything else that belongs back in the Flower Power era. Thats just personal taste though. the new Cubes look OK, though the transparent/translucent plastic is getting real old real fast... gimme BLACK damnit! No, wait... Jobs already did that: the NeXT cube. Back in the 80's if I'm not mistaken... Back to MacOS... OS X is The Next Big Thing from Apple. Based on the Mach kernel, it's pretty much a bastardised Unix clone (although not POSIX compliant). OS X looks horrid, but the underlying OS seems to be quite excellent... which is probably because Apple didn't write it :) Seems there is a strange trend at Apple. The less Apple have to do with their products, the better they do. eg. they're using IDE, PCI, USB, and Mach - all non-Apple... not that it matters much, but it's funny seeing the die-hard Apple fans choke on that humble pie. 10 points to Jobs though for getting over the Not-Invented-Here syndrome that infects the entire USA. Apple's contribution to the new OS are the API's that allow the software to get stuff done, as well as the drug-induced interface. (as I said, the actual OS is the Mach microkernel, which isn't Apple's.) Finally Apple are going to drag the Mac fanatics kicking and screaming (and trust me, the die hards will not like OS X very much, at least at first) into modern computing. -- Scott Little, 3:712/848@fidonet | slittle@slittle.com --- FMail/Win32 1.48b+ * Origin: Cyberia: You know you want it. [02-9596-0284] (3:712/848) .