Subj : Fido kludge lines (was Re: MMTerm?)
To   : Max Chamberlain
From : William McBrine
Date : Tue Apr 17 2001 02:17 am

-=> Max Chamberlain wrote to Jim Hanoian <=-

 JH> A lot of people don't realize that QWK does not support the
 JH> kludge lines that Fido BBSs use...

 MC> I need to get a clarification on this point, Jim.  What you say
 MC> seems to be at odds with what I'm experiencing at Doc's Place BBS.

Strictly speaking, the QWK format is agnostic about kludge lines. You could
include them, or not; the format itself says nothing about them. But since,
as you discovered, most QWK readers neither filter them nor use them,
there's not a lot of point to including them in QWK packets.

The Blue Wave spec, on the other hand, explicitly references Fido kludge
lines, and goes so far as to say that the MSGID kludge line MUST be
included, if one exists. It's used to generate a corresponding REPLY. The
FMPT line is also required to be passed on; it's used for netmail.

 MC> My conclusions:
 MC>   - MultiMail has some sort of filter that screens out any kluge lines.

Yes. Press 'x' to see them.

BTW, MultiMail uses the kludge lines appropriately in Blue Wave mode, but
does nothing with them (besides hiding them) in QWK mode, since there's no
standard in QWK for sending back a REPLY line, or for netmail. (I did try
just including the REPLY kludge line in the text, but it didn't work on the
doors I tried it with.)

 MC>   - Chowda BBS zaps any kluge lines in outgoing QWK packet messages.

Or they never made it into the BBS message base to begin with. Both are
pretty typical situations.

.... If a program is useless, it will have to be documented.
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