Subj : Best OLMR for Windows
To   : George Lagergren
From : Tom Laermans
Date : Wed Nov 08 2000 09:45 am

Hi George ...

At 31-Oct-00 11:11:38, George Lagergren wrote to William Mcbrine about Best
OLMR for Windows...

 GL> William, doesn't the Intel 32-bit x86 CPU chips support BOTH
 GL> 32-bit protected mode for graphic mode and 32-bit protected mode
 GL> for text mode programming?
Sure. Has nothing to do with any CPU mode.

 GL> William, is the term a "console mode" app program just a fancy
You don't HAVE to say "William" every time........ /-)
And it's nothing 'fancy', it's just common terminology.

 GL> name for a 32-bit protected mode app program working in (32-bit)
 GL> text modeof the OS?
Console is a 32-bit app in textmode. Textmode = console!

 GL> So in the "DOS box" within Windows 9x and beyond, the OS supports
 GL> the concept of using 32-bit text mode executable pgms and driver
 GL> pgms, right?
DOS box = 16bit
Console = 32bit

 GL> Or can one really access or make use of Windows 9x's 32-bit
 GL> protected mode in text mode app pgms and driver pgms without FIRST
 GL> going into Windows 9x's graphic mode?  And do most of Windows 9x
No

 GL> internal OS drivers and app pgms operate in 32-bit graphic mode
 GL> rather 32-bit text mode?
Drivers don't operate in any mode. Drivers don't put anything on screen.
They work in memory and work in any mode.

 GL> Questions:  Will Microsoft ever turn the Windows OS into a
 GL> completely 100% based graphic mode OS?   Thus leaving out any
 GL> support for text mode?
No. Probably not. IF you consider console mode as textmode it will probably
never be removed. Even MacOS X has added a console.. BeOS has one.. etc
etc. You lose a great deal if you remove console mode.

 GL> IOW, most Windows 9x user folks feel using a text mode type of app
 GL> program is still using an old  DOS character (text) based app pgm,
 GL> right?
No. Well, maybe most, but not all. Not me.

 GL> So Multi Mail for Windows is two pgms - one is a graphic mode pgm
 GL> and one is a text (console app) mode pgm usable thru the Windows
 GL> "DOS Box", right?
No. It's a console app.

 GL> So one thinks of the old DOS OS as a 16-bit real mode OS where as
 GL> a console app pgm makes use of a 32-bit protected mode OS,
 GL> correct?
Yes.

BTW There are also 32-bit DOS programs who DON'T need Windows in any way...
through for example DOS/4GW, DOS/16M, VCPI, DPMI, ........

Sorry, but I feel you're just bashing someone who has made a perfectly fine
console app.

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