Subj : September, 2003 Echolist
To   : George Vandervort
From : Philip Lozier
Date : Fri Oct 24 2003 01:27 am

 >>> Supporting my daughter after an attack.
 >>>
 >>> So, If the cops don't put me away for taking care of the
 >>> perp...I'll have t for other things...someday, maybe.
 JD>>
 JD>> Sorry to hear that.  I hope she is OK?

 GV> A bullet is to quick and to good for a scumbag like him..

 GV> I think a Baseball batt would provide you more satisfying
 GV> results.. :-))

Look at my post to Thom... no guns, no bats, no knives...

In New York, the level of self defense is weighed upon "reasonable force", and 
the "concieved threat" of the other person... If you have a J*ck As* that only 
threatens you with hands, before you shoot/stab/club him, you cannot justify 
killing him.  NYS law provides that you can use equal force to (and note this) 
"deter" the person... so... in other words, a guy comes with a "BAT", you take 
the bat... according to NYS law, you've removed the threat, and if the guy 
comes at you with hands, you -may- be able to deter him *ONE* time, but if you 
beat him after that, he becomes the victim, and you go to jail.  The statutes 
only allow for reasonable force to deter the person, not to take vengence 
(revenge) upon them, and you are only allowed to
hold them for the authorities.

It sounds stupid, but that's the way it is... it is much better to know people 
(especialy those in law enforcement), and be able to act on their advice, when 
they can't arrest. Makes you happy, and makes their job easier, having not to 
deal with it.  Take it from somebody who know lives 150 miles away from New 
York City, but has NYPD relatives ;>

Phil

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