Subj : September, 2003 Echolist To : Thom LaCosta From : Matt Mc_Carthy Date : Sat Oct 04 2003 03:48 am 03 Oct 2003, 17:59, Thom LaCosta (1:261/1352), wrote to George Vandervort: Hi Thom. TL> Actually, I'd feel much better with a dull spoon followed by TL> bolt-cutters applied in the right place. For the bolt cutters, substitute a pair of those "Vise-Grip" clamps, the ones with the big flat plates. Be sure to break the release mechanism first! "Vise-Grips" would probably be considered 'non-lethal', just in case you left a fingerprint or two... Good luck... M. --- Msged/386 TE 06 (pre) * Origin: Steward: HDCONF, HDTV, MsgEd_Echo, TECH, Tech-Chat. (1:396/45.17) .