Subj : I think things have gone overboard.
To   : Earl Croasmun
From : Michael Gothreau
Date : Thu Oct 10 2002 09:11 am

Hi EARL,
In a message to Roy Witt you wrote:


 ->>  MG>   Wayne Chirnside made no threats in POL_INC.  Stan posted
 ->>  MG> his fear that Dale Ross would remove POLITICS if that echo
 ->> harboured
 ->>  MG> him.

 ->> Obviously, Stan is full of it, as POL_INC and Wayne Chirnside are
 ->> still there on Dale's system.

 EC> A few quick facts:

 EC> On Oct. 1, Ceppa posted this:  "If you are a downlink or a user of
 EC> 1:379, please look for another feed if you want to continue to access
 EC> this Echo.  It appears that the "Mail Mover" for that link is
 EC> deciding to not move the mail between us."  This apparently stemmed 
 EC> from Dale Ross saying on his BBS that THAT BBS may be dropping 
 EC> Ceppa's echo at some point, since it is a redundant echo. Each reader 
 EC> can speculate on
 EC> the possible motives for Ceppa's reaction.

 EC> Michael (co-mod of the redundant echo) inaccurately paraphrased the
 EC> comment by Stan Hardegree.  Again, you can feel free to speculate on
 EC> the motive.  What he actually said was that he doesn't KNOW why, and 
 EC> he speculated that the serious matter of fido-transmitted death 
 EC> threats might be a possible reason.

 EC> The most interesting comment concerning the handling of the threat
 EC> situation was made in an echo of which I am co-moderator.  The name
 EC> is fake, but the point is indicated.  He takes the very position 
 EC> that Michael attacks when he imagines it elsewhere.

Let's be very accurate here, Earl.

First, I am also a co_moderator of that echo (MATZDOBRE) as every participant 
was made a COMOD.

The name I posted under is Wheezer.  Check the node list.  I am not hiding 
behind it.

The text quoted here was posted by me to Wayne Chirnside IN the echo where he 
made his most fervant threat.

In the proper formatting the EC> from here on (in THIS post) would actually be 
"W>".

 EC> "Yeah, well it won't wash anymore.  You are nothing but a whining
 EC> imbecile, and you should just turn the computer off.

 EC> I'll be forwarding your threat to the proper authorties myself.

 EC> There is NO excuse for what you've done, and all your aches and pains
 EC> don't forgive you for it.

 EC> You are an imbecile.  You don't deserve access to this hobby.

 EC> Go away, forever.  And get help.


 EC> Bye bye!
 EC>   Wheezer

 EC> (1:134/33.666)"

The W> quote ends here.

 EC> "You don't deserve access to this hobby."  If that comment came from
 EC> a moderator, wouldn't it at least translate to "you don't deserve 
 EC> access to this echo?"  {rhetorical question}

He does not deserve to access that echo.  He made the threat there.  Yet, no 
Moderator, or CoModerator of that echo acted on the matter.  The person who he 
made the threat to, declined to act on it, and in fact advised that nothing 
should be done.

Now, what has this to do with POL_INC?  Do you think I should do what another 
has done: just kick users out of the echo when they've done nothing wrong in 
that echo?  Would you appreciate that if I did it to you, for, say, posting 
what you posted here?  You've been a good participant in the echo you call 
redundant, and so has Wayne Chirnside.

Despite that, Wayne IS a whining imbecile.  That IS my opinion.  I admit I 
thought better of forwarding the information to Florida authorities.  I don't 
think he should be allowed to post in Fidonet, but it is NOT my responsibility, 
nor it it MY authority to remove him.  That is up to his sysop.  I suggested he 
needs help, and I stand by that advice.


Bye bye!
  Michael

--- DevilPoint  6.66
 * Origin: Thanks for your opinion. Hope I can get it off my shoe. (1:134/33)

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